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With oil at $140 a barrel, can you still love Julian Simon?

Remember Julian Simon, the guy who argued that resource prices would fall, fall, fall in real terms?  I loved spending time with him and to this day he remains an underrated economist.  (By the way, the very first piece I ever wrote was a guide to using Julian Simon for high school debaters.)  But can we still advocate his major thesis?

The possible belief space includes the following:

1. There is still a good chance that future resource and oil prices will fall dramatically, so Simon should not be dismissed.  Still, the single best estimate today can be inferred from the current market price, which implies a good chance that resources will get more expensive.

2. Simon is right and futures markets currently indicate that the price of oil is expected to fall dramatically.

3. Simon is still right, the rest of the world is wrong, and betting on this is how I will get rich.

4. Simon is right but current markets don't allow us to bet on his major claims.  Futures markets extend for only a few years' time, not for say the twenty years or so that are needed to validate his prediction.

4b. The deliverance of plenty is truly far away and no one is willing to take those margin calls for the next 187 years; in this scenario the present expected value of the future improvement is pretty low.

5. Simon is right but nominal interest rates will soon fall so low that successive short selling of oil in the futures market won't yield supernormal returns.  (This can mean, for instance, that you'd rather lock up all your money today at the higher rates, rather than short selling.)

No way does #2 work, though there is often slight backwardation in the futures price.  I've never heard anyone argue #5 and indeed most people haven't even thought of it as an escape hatch.  My belief is closest to #1.  Bryan Caplan argues for #4 but Arnold Kling shows that doesn't fly.  If you're always rolling over a successively renewed short position in the futures market, sooner or later the price decline for oil will yield you supernormal profits; in the meantime your margin deposit is earning the rate of return on T-Bills, noting that you must buy into the new contract cycle before your old contract expires so as not to miss the window of opportunity.  OK there is margin call risk, etc. but if Simon is right that is small relative to your potential gains.

(Alternatively you might argue that if you are in contract cycle #3, the good news will arrive to affect the pricing of cycle #4 before you can buy in, adding on that even after the future good news is announced the MC curve is so steep that you don't gain much on contract cycle #3.  That's possible but a) ex ante you still have supernormal returns since it may not work out that way, and b) the reality is that huge good supply news, whether for oil or some other energy source, would lead to lots of pumping today and a plummeting oil price right away.)

I invite Alex to accept #1 or otherwise indicate his stance.

It's amazing how much, on this issue, some people resort to what can only be called technical analysis -- inferring future price movements from past trends -- when they would scoff at that approach in almost any other context.  It's OK to argue that belief #3 held for most of world history --before we all read Simon and perhaps before there were futures markets in oil -- but I want to know if you are betting on #3 today and if not why not and also what other ways there are to get very rich that you can tell me about (does only the oil market malfunction so?).

I'll also note that current oil prices hardly suggest (do click on that link) a level of bone-crunching, civilization-ending scarcity, so you can believe in #1 and still be an optimist overall, as indeed I am.  I'm just not nearly as much of an optimist as I was when oil was $10-$20 a barrel, wasn't it even $8 a barrel for domestic oil less than ten years ago?

Also on belief #4 note that: forward contracts allow for longer bets than do futures contracts, contract length is endogenous to important events (though synthetic contract positions mean we don't need all of the possible longer term contracts), and it is odd for libertarians -- combinatorial prediction market fans at that -- to suddenly cite missing markets to defend their broader position.

Addendum: Oh, yes, there is one more option.  I call it "#3 is correct but my wife won't let us get rich."  I'll say this in response: for all the virtues marriage has for men, when you look around and study it more closely, you'll find the institution has even more virtues than you had thought.

Second addendum: Here is Jeffrey Sachs on this topic.

Posted by Tyler Cowen on June 30, 2008 at 06:18 AM in Economics | Permalink

Comments

The amount of energy available is nearly limitless. The amount of energy a person can use is also nearly limitless. We are figuring out technology to promote the latter faster than the technology to extract former. We used to not use as much energy (before we developed capitalism and stumbled on fossil fuels). We know how to go back, we just don't know how to maintain trend growth with it.

Buffett became satisfactorily wealthy partly by practicing "time horizon arbitrage." Markets are short-term oriented. Prices have to come down. Will they come down due to technological progress or due to growth grinding to a halt? I think high energy prices are just the victory lap for globalization.

Btw, price trends do contain information, just not the type a lot of technicians try to impute to it. I'm surprised that some people are using TODAY's volatile spot price to impute profound information. ;)

Posted by: Andrew at Jun 30, 2008 7:30:24 AM

Kling's response to Caplan is wrong-- the first commentor, JPC, points out why.

Posted by: mpkomara at Jun 30, 2008 7:51:24 AM

How to get rich:

A la Julian Simon, issue a challenge for a wager to Al Gore. The money is in the terms, not the outcome. He's a politician, you will own him on the fundamentals and he'll overcommit in order to signal his dogma. He won't even care.

Posted by: Andrew at Jun 30, 2008 7:52:14 AM

There's another option.

I'm not emotionally strong enough to be able to withstand the cost of taking small losses for several years in a row in hope for a big win later. Losing is emotionally too costly for me that I would start in such a business.

Read more about this approach in the Black Swan, if you're interested.

Posted by: Mikko at Jun 30, 2008 7:57:41 AM

Tyler, you obviously know a lot more about Simon than I, but I always dismiss any theory that feels permanent and inflexible regarding changes in preferences, technology, resources and markets. Thus, I have always lumped Simon in with Karl Marx (permanent instability of capitalism), free banking backed by gold is best people (von Mises thought it was a good idea, so it always will be, and other related theories. Essentially, any idea that people must take on faith feels more like religion to me than economics. I sympathize with #1.

Posted by: liberalarts at Jun 30, 2008 8:10:34 AM

I'm curious: Would the current market price in 1980 have correctly predicted the outcome of Simon's wager with Paul Ehrlich?

Incidentally, isn't this the same type of environment in which Simon made his original bet? Gas prices at inflation-adjusted records, commodity prices booming...This would be a great opportunity to make a series of new bets. In 2005, John Tierney bet Matthew Simmons that the price of oil would not average over $200 (in 2005 dollars) by 2010. www.nytimes.com/2005/08/23/opinion/23tierney.html

Posted by: Patrick McMenamin at Jun 30, 2008 8:17:40 AM

Since the oil supply is largely controlled by a cartel, are other commodity models applicable? I wonder if a large amount of the price increase in oil is due to the cartel's desire to affect politics in the United States. Of course we also know that much of the cost of oil is due to the dollar's devaluation.

Posted by: Neil West at Jun 30, 2008 8:28:03 AM

Snake oil gets no cheaper.

Posted by: dearieme at Jun 30, 2008 8:33:42 AM

you are missing an important option:

*Julian Simon was right and resource prices are falling in real terms, but the dollar is falling in value.

(anyone naive enough to believe that adjusting for official CPI transforms data into "real" terms can go to bed while the adults talk)

Posted by: Julian at Jun 30, 2008 8:42:39 AM

A few thoughts/questions on this ...

1. Must Simon be proven correct on each and every item for his views/points to be considered legitimate?

2. Is it possible that the market for oil is so horribly distorted by governments, politicians, and environmentalists that this is all an unreasonable comparison?

3. Is it possible that we need to look at long-term trends, not the last 12 months? How do we define 'long-term?'

I'm very interested in everyone's thoughts,

Chris

Posted by: Chris Meisenzahl at Jun 30, 2008 8:44:36 AM

Why am I not surprised!

Imperialism and mercantilism ruin the economy of the US, triggering a worldwide economic crisis and the closet socialists bring out the old malthusian arguments to attack consumerism/capitalism/whatever.

Guess what their recipees will be? that's right: more imperialism, mercantilism and authoritarianism. Damn you Tyler! You've sold your soul long ago and you're not even subtle.

Posted by: andrewlehman at Jun 30, 2008 8:51:47 AM

Your data is on oil today, but Simon talked about resources overall across time. Why not just accept high future oil prices, but low overall resource prices?

Posted by: Robin Hanson at Jun 30, 2008 8:54:58 AM

I am absolutely amazed. How can people talk about information contained in prices without even mentioning monetary factors?

Isn't supply and demand of money half the story behind every price?

I guess you americans just take the dollar for granted.

Posted by: confused at Jun 30, 2008 9:04:28 AM

I largely agree with "Julian" above, as well as Robin Hanson here. You've left out one option, the measurement/dollar issue.

A) Simon didn't say (if I recall) that any given commodity would *never* have spikes above real term increases; B) measurement (CPI, dollar-terms, etc., etc) is key and taking short term measures of these will get it wrong - frequently; and C) oil or any one commodity is not what Simon was referring to, but a basket of all meaningful commodities.

In truth, I think the likelihood is that energy will be (and probably still is, and will probably remain so even if it goes up in price substantially) the one commodity most likely to remain below real term prices over the long term. Energy is one of the few commodities where there is continual input (solar energy to earth).

This isn't necessarily at odds with parts of Malthusian theory, or at least somewhat adjusted Malthusianism. Like natural population predator/prey fluctuations, if there was serious scarcity, some large-scale death event would probably take place, massively reducing demand again, but leaving most of the productivity/technological gains.

Posted by: Greg at Jun 30, 2008 9:09:17 AM

Tyler, in Caplan's assumptions, rolling over a short position in a futures contract would earn you no profits once the other participants "catch on" in one year's time.

Posted by: mpkomara at Jun 30, 2008 9:10:47 AM

People, people, people! Not many of you are stating a number from my list of beliefs or admitting that you will get rich. On the money side, the low dollar is one factor but it doesn't account for the leap from $10 a barrel to $142 or so a barrel. Robin's point is correct but of course most other resource prices are very high now as well. My parenthetical remarks covers JPC's criticism of Arnold as well as mpkomara's point. And I'm totally against mercantilism and write frequently as such, I simply don't want to stretch the facts to make mercantilism look bad.

Posted by: Tyler Cowen at Jun 30, 2008 9:15:00 AM

I would love to build a coal-to-oil plant and get rich selling oil at a huge profit, but the EPA won't let me.

Posted by: Alex J. at Jun 30, 2008 9:27:36 AM

I am told by the Fed that oil prices are so volatile in the short run that changes in oil prices should be excluded from inflation statistics when determining macroeconomic policy. If I accept the Fed's reasoning, why would I take a one-period market-implied prediction of future oil prices (derived from the current period as opposed to last year's) as proof-positive that resource prices (not just oil) will be higher in ten years than they are now? Tyler, please add

#6, Short-term volatility in energy prices will make Simon look wrong for some periods over the ten-year span of a new bet, just as the same volatility will make a new bet look correct for some periods. As it happens, Simon was correct for the ten-year span of his bet. Only time will tell how a new ten year bet would play out, but you get better odds if you bet that the real price of oil will be lower ten years from now.

Posted by: evm at Jun 30, 2008 9:41:51 AM

Oil has bee going up in euros as well. Not quite as steeply, but oil prices are still higher.

One could point out that oil bottomed when they had "Oil $5/barrel?" on their cover. My guess is the peak will be when they have "Oil $200/barrel?" on their cover.

Posted by: Mo at Jun 30, 2008 9:45:22 AM

Here's how to get rich:

1) Convince someone who is jinxed (like me) to go long on oil.

2) Go short on oil.

The jinx will cause oil's price to collapse and you get rich.

Anyone want to make informal promises about what you'll give me if oil's price goes down? That *might* cause me to go long...

Posted by: Person at Jun 30, 2008 9:53:12 AM

I don't think Simon ever suggested that this would apply for every single commodity all the time. If the commodity is "energy", not oil specifically, there is no doubt what so ever in my mind that it will be *a lot* cheaper in a hundred years compared to today. But what will happen with the oil price specifically? No idea, don't care, don't think anyone else should care much either, as long as energy prices decline. So put me down as 1, but note the long time horizon. (If Simon ever said anything about short time spans, put me in the "well, he is wrong" category. I don't think he said that, however.

3 & 4 are possibly right in theory, but definitely wrong in practice. The market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent.

Posted by: Joe T at Jun 30, 2008 9:53:24 AM

Using the CPI-U, the price of WTI is currently around $157 per barrel in December 2005 dollars. It averaged $64.97 per barrel during August 2005, when Tierney and Simmons made that bet. There's still a lot of time between now and 2010 - I wouldn't count Simmons out yet.

Posted by: Kyle S at Jun 30, 2008 9:55:33 AM

Bah.
Oil is still the same price as 10 years ago in gold. Just this fact should make you rethink your premises.

Posted by: HUMBUG at Jun 30, 2008 10:09:37 AM

Lets see: War in Afghanistan, War in Iraq, looming war in Iran.. these wouldn't be factors on a commodity with 60% of the world's supply in the middle east?

sometimes it doesn't have to be so complicated...

I still think Julian is mostly right.

Posted by: pointobvious at Jun 30, 2008 10:21:31 AM

I'm not sure where Simon would come down on this, but what I really dislike is the blithe optimist who (referencing Simon) says we have no need to shepherd resources.

Resources are not equal, and some of the substitutes are inferior.

(I think oil is something we should be conservative with, but we've also obviously wreaked havoc on our wild fish stocks. Would Simon himself consider battery chicken a substitute for wild Cod or Salmon?)

Posted by: odograph at Jun 30, 2008 11:01:54 AM

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