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Bryan Caplan, REPENT YOUR LOVE FOR THOMAS REID!

Here is a fascinating article from The New Yorker, mostly about itching but not just.  Here is my favorite part:

A new scientific understanding of perception has emerged in the past few decades, and it has overturned classical, centuries-long beliefs about how our brains work—though it has apparently not penetrated the medical world yet. The old understanding of perception is what neuroscientists call “the naïve view,” and it is the view that most people, in or out of medicine, still have. We’re inclined to think that people normally perceive things in the world directly. We believe that the hardness of a rock, the coldness of an ice cube, the itchiness of a sweater are picked up by our nerve endings, transmitted through the spinal cord like a message through a wire, and decoded by the brain.

...Yet, as scientists set about analyzing the signals, they found them to be radically impoverished. Suppose someone is viewing a tree in a clearing. Given simply the transmissions along the optic nerve from the light entering the eye, one would not be able to reconstruct the three-dimensionality, or the distance, or the detail of the bark—attributes that we perceive instantly.

...The images in our mind are extraordinarily rich. We can tell if something is liquid or solid, heavy or light, dead or alive. But the information we work from is poor—a distorted, two-dimensional transmission with entire spots missing. So the mind fills in most of the picture. You can get a sense of this from brain-anatomy studies. If visual sensations were primarily received rather than constructed by the brain, you’d expect that most of the fibres going to the brain’s primary visual cortex would come from the retina. Instead, scientists have found that only twenty per cent do; eighty per cent come downward from regions of the brain governing functions like memory. Richard Gregory, a prominent British neuropsychologist, estimates that visual perception is more than ninety per cent memory and less than ten per cent sensory nerve signals.

And sorry, readers, for shouting in the header; sometimes I get carried away.  By the way, don't let defenders of naive realism tell you that any attempt to contradict it is self-refuting.  Science proceeds in pieces, cross-tested in various ways, and the sum total of those pieces can revise our understanding away from naive realism without producing self-contradiction.

Posted by Tyler Cowen on June 26, 2008 at 12:11 PM in Science | Permalink

Comments

I wonder what the balance between perception/processing is like for other animals.

Posted by: Greg Sanders at Jun 26, 2008 12:56:24 PM

we're just learning anything really about the brain: great stuff

Posted by: wagonrunner at Jun 26, 2008 1:00:38 PM

This makes me wonder about how much we take in for reading since unlike looking at a tree in a clearing we are presumably looking at unique combinations of visual symbols where the uniqueness matters.

We do tend to only read the first and last letters of a word and the size.

Posted by: Buck at Jun 26, 2008 1:01:39 PM

The rabbit hole goes even deeper.

Pair this research with the research on mirror neurons and collaborative cognition and one really starts to wonder how much of the perceived world exists by agreement. (!)

Posted by: Michael F. Martin at Jun 26, 2008 1:03:38 PM

Sounds like Hayek in the book The Sensory Order or in the article "The Primacy of the Abstract." I never knew Bryan Caplan was a naive realist.

Posted by: Mario Rizzo at Jun 26, 2008 1:04:07 PM

This kind of new scientific understanding goes along with what Heinz von Foerster and Constructivism as well as Evolutionary Epistemology say. I've always found such new perspectives on perception fascinating. But does it mean that the essence of realism, whether naive or not, is really outdated? It's not just about knowing that we can't perceive the "thing-in-itself" (remember Kant), but about how to deal with these new perspectives in real life as well as in science. And I really can't imagine that society can be based on anything else than relying on a common and "objective" reality - even if it doesn't exist as such.

Posted by: Jürgen at Jun 26, 2008 1:42:24 PM

Ramachandran's book "Phantoms in the Brain" has some great stuff on this.

Posted by: Shiraz Allidina at Jun 26, 2008 1:51:29 PM

The paradox about vision was first described by Bishop Berkeley in the mid 1700's.

Posted by: Michael Webster at Jun 26, 2008 2:01:27 PM

Wasn't this largely what Daniel Gilbert's book was talking about?

Posted by: martin at Jun 26, 2008 2:30:13 PM

This does not sit well with me, and seems highly problematic when you start to talk about the practical applications of how we all see and perceive.

To me, this still doesn't solve the philosophical problems of subjective reality.

Posted by: Keith at Jun 26, 2008 2:48:32 PM

Not really a new insight. Here is William James from 1892:

"Perception is of Definite and Probable Things--The chief cerebral conditions of perception are old paths of association radiating from the sense-impression. If a certain impression be strongly associated with the attributes of a certain thing, that thing is almost sure to be perceived when we get the impression. Examples of such things would be familiar people, places, etc., which we recognize and name at a glance."

http://books.google.com/books?id=eLmyPMGyKZUC&pg=PA183&lpg=PA183&dq=in+these+ambiguous+cases+probable+definite+perception+william+james&source=web&ots=RWocmhtr20&sig=cSnP0eei2RLr6Wh2kLXC1EViyfU&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=5&ct=result

There are many other accounts of perception 'filling in' features that aren't actually present in the current input (because the features are occluded, for example). We can recognize an object on the basis of a subset of the features, fill the rest in from memory, and not be certain what was actually in the image and what was 'filled in'. This is just not a new insight.

Posted by: Slocum at Jun 26, 2008 2:52:10 PM

Tyler! Your insistence on saying nice things about Kant--however subtly disguised within your erudite linkage--will earn you the animus of Ayn Randians. Achtung!

Posted by: pik at Jun 26, 2008 3:06:20 PM

Very cool. I suppose that it kind of makes sense. Perhaps it's more economical to process the information from the brain than externally. Throw evolution into the mix and brains that can't process effectively get selected out. So the external signals are just enough for the brain to be effective.

Posted by: Scot at Jun 26, 2008 3:10:18 PM

"naive realism" is that we really can see things in themselves - but the most important part of seeing is recognizing, and every naive realist knows that we recognize stuff from memory - that to truly see, we integrate what we now see with what we have seen and touched over time.

This scientific data is not new, but confirms what "naive realists" have said for two thousand years.

Posted by: James A. Donald at Jun 26, 2008 7:57:35 PM

Someone forgot to turn italics off. Caplan relies far too much on intuition. That's why he still believes in objective morality.

Posted by: TGGP at Jun 26, 2008 9:10:57 PM

I don't think this is anything Reid would be worried about. In Essays on the Intellectual Powers of Man he has a lengthy treatment of the impoverished nature of our original perceptual inputs and of the cognitive work that goes into producing the rich, conceptually loaded perceptual experiences we typically have. Direct realism is the view that there are no perceptual intermediaries in our awareness of the world, it's not the view that there is no cognitive work that goes into the way we conceptualize our experiences. So long as we aren't perceiving this cognitive work in perception rather than using it to allow us to perceive the world outside our minds, this poses no real threat to Reid's position. Indeed, since he was well aware of issues like this more than 200 years ago, it would be quite a surprise if it was.

Posted by: Matt Skene at Jun 26, 2008 10:02:26 PM

This sounds like a straw man to me. introduce me to the medical people who believe we "perceive" 3d directly, or that what we get from our senses is not a noisy, limited view that the brain must interpret and reconstruct.

Posted by: Mike at Jun 26, 2008 10:50:34 PM

So if you need eyeglasses, and you put them on, the tree is much clearer: not only the 10% being transmitted, but the 90% being filled from memory interstitially, as it were. Why is that?

Posted by: Lee A. Arnold at Jun 26, 2008 10:53:07 PM

I should point out that I am not a naive realist, but a thoroughgoing Batesonian.

Posted by: Lee A. Arnold at Jun 26, 2008 10:54:29 PM

I think Bertrand Russell pointed out that naive realism leads you to physics, and that physics disproves naive realism. So naive realism is false. Does anyone seriously believe otherwise?

Posted by: Nick Hare at Jun 27, 2008 8:43:36 AM

This is old hat and it does not refute naive realism. I mean, really - that our inputs are impoverished and that our perception is largely a matter of guesswork? This is news to you? I recommend that you read some actual defense of naive realism if you're interested. And before you go and pronounce Bishop Berkeley as somehow vindicated, please, get clear on what he's saying.

Posted by: constant at Jun 27, 2008 11:46:03 AM

Interesting article in the New Yorker, though I think you got the key parts there. There is a TED Talk with one of the neurobiologists mentioned, Vilayanur Ramachandran, located here: http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/vilayanur_ramachandran_on_your_mind.html

Posted by: Peripatetic Entrepreneur at Jun 27, 2008 12:25:30 PM

Interesting. Perhaps this is part of the reason why existing image processing systems are still so weak in comparison to human visual ability? Perhaps we have modelled the actual "vision" part quite well already, and we won't get better results until we incorporate memory and other brain-internal resources.

There is a parallel to computational linguistics, where we had to finally admit that language cannot be fully modelled just by manipulating strings of words.

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