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Book Forum: Harford and Kevin Grier on Cities

Kevin Grier at Kids Prefer Cheese continues our book forum on the Logic of Life with a discussion of The World is Spiky.

Here is my summary of Tim’s argument. Cities are expensive, and that expense is above and beyond paying the necessary rents to gain access to their unique amenities. Cities are marked by knowledge spillovers, a positive externality (don’t get mad Bryan) where human capital grows faster when one is around more humans. And the internet, rather than reducing the positive effects of cities on productivity, actually enhances them. Thus, rather than subsidizing rural areas, perhaps we should consider subsidizing cities.

Luckily for Tim and his prospective book sales, he tells this story in a much more entertaining way than I just did. But I still have some questions, suggestions, and quibbles.

The claim is made that salary differences don’t match up with cost of living differences and the reason for this is knowledge spillovers, but it is not spelled out exactly how that would work. An alternative seems to me that zoning restrictions create these big rents and pre-existing property owners are sucking a lot of the consumer surplus out of people with high valuations on cool experiences.....

Tim discusses “failing cities” and describes (correctly I think) why people still live there, but gives no explanation for why they failed if indeed cities produce these positive externalities. There is no discussion of some of the very biggest cities in the world; Mexico City, Lagos, Jakarta. It would be nice to know where the argument works, where it doesn’t and how to know which is which...

More here.

Posted by Alex Tabarrok on February 18, 2008 at 10:01 AM in Economics | Permalink

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"Thus, rather than subsidizing rural areas, perhaps we should consider subsidizing cities."

So, seeing that I'm already paying a price to not be a city dweller, I should pay an even higher price? You can't subsidize cities with the resources of those in the city, so it has to come from me!

Of course, it all comes back to choice. I choose not to live in the city because the downsides outweigh the upsides. So, being the marginal city immigrant, I would have to be subsidized to live there. How would they target me? Or would they just punish me for my choice to reward those already benefitting from their choice?

Posted by: Andrew at Feb 18, 2008 4:47:05 PM

And wait another second. Presumably, knowledge spillovers come from the people with knowledge. These are the same people with money, you know, from whence the money for subsidies would come. So, increasing marginal rates on those with knowledge and money might push them to the tipping point to leave the city as their financial incentives are reduced in order to pay to reduce their quality of life (i.e., the influx of more knowledge spillover recipients). Hmmm.

Why do positive externalities need subsidizing again?

Posted by: Andrew at Feb 18, 2008 4:51:30 PM

To me, cities are historical anachronisms. The knowledge focused business world just does not require a dense population center to function anymore. Unfortunately the science of business management is generally stuck in an industrial era mindset that depends on the proximity of its workforce. Once management catches up to the reality of IT, companies will recognize that they can save money and increase productivity reducing their office footprint and distributing their workforce.

Posted by: Chris at Feb 19, 2008 4:36:05 PM

Huh? As an IT worker, I can state flat out that the myth of the distributed workforce is exactly that. People need face time, teams need to talk together face to face, and not just over a (vid/tele)conference. Why do scientists spend so much to travel to conferences? Why do CEO's do the same to travel to Davos every year? Why have the Manhattan elite not moved to London, Brisbane, Paris, or somewhere else, or spread out across the US? Is it the Manhattan skyline? Human's want contact. They crave the human-human interactions that they encounter on a daily basis. They dont get that working from home.

Posted by: Darin London at Feb 22, 2008 1:27:09 PM

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