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John Edwards and the virtues and limits of democracy
Mark Thoma writes: "I'm getting pretty tired of Democrats caving in on important issues rather than standing up and fighting for their core principles..." The lesson is that politicians' core principle is reelection and pandering, not promoting the ideas of Mark Thoma or Paul Krugman or for that matter Milton Friedman or Tyler Cowen.
I find the (former) support for John Edwards to be one of the most striking features of the primary season. Although Edwards ran an explicitly progressive campaign, a great deal of his (meager) support came from Democrats in lower socioeconomic strata. They were voting their demographic, or perhaps their feelings of victimization, rather than their ideology. (Here is Chris Hayes on John Edwards, worth reading.) There is no large-scale progressive movement coalescing around stagnant median wages and the inequities of skill-based technical change. Instead we have Hillary Clinton insulting Barack Obama, and maybe it is working.
The lesson is this: democracy is a very blunt instrument. Especially as it is found in the United States, democracy just isn't that smart or that finely honed or that closely geared toward truth or "progressive" values. (NB: Democracy in smaller, better educated, ethnically homogeneous nations is, sometimes, another story.)
But unlike one of my esteemed colleagues, I believe that we should revere democracy as one of the modern world's greatest achievements. We should step off a British Airways flight with a tear in our eye, in appreciation for all that country has done to promote democratic government (sorry, former colonies, but perhaps you are democratic today). This is no exaggeration or blog tease: I want to see you crying at Heathrow. The future is far more likely to have "too little democracy" than "too much democracy." I do believe in checks and balances, but within a broadly democratic framework, such as we have in the United States.
That all said, we should not demand from democracy what democracy cannot provide. Democracy is pretty good at pushing scoundrels out of office, or checking them once they are in office. Democracy is also good at making sure enough interest groups are bought off so that social order may continue and that a broad if sometimes inane social consensus can be manufactured and maintained. We should expect all those things of democracy and indeed democracy can, for the most part, deliver them.
But democracy is very bad at fine-tuning the details of economic policy. Democracy is very bad at bringing about political solutions which are not congruent with the other sources of economic and social influence in a country. The solution is not to be less democratic, but rather to appreciate democracy for what it is good for. And the excesses of democracy should be fought with ideas, albeit with the realization that not everyone will be convinced. Those are the breaks, as democracy needs all the friends it can get.
Just as I love democracy, so do I love Chiles in Nogada. But I do not ask that Chiles in Nogada can solve most of the world's problems or for that matter get me to work in the morning. Social democrats and progressives often view democracy as a potential instrument of control, and as a way of giving us "the best policies." I do not, and that includes for my own economic views as well.
Here is Matt Yglesias on libertarianism and democracy. Here is a Hilton Root review of the new Michael Mandelbaum book praising democracy.
Posted by Tyler Cowen on January 31, 2008 at 06:57 AM in Political Science | Permalink
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And here I thought the primary benefit of democracy was friction, not representation.
Posted by: nordsieck at Jan 31, 2008 7:40:19 AM
'The future is far more likely to have "too little democracy" than "too much democracy."'
Boy, you got that straight. After flying into Heathrow, summer 2006 (hours delayed because of the need of TSA to resecure the British Airways plane in Dulles - not caused by the fact that they missed my son's LED flashlight in the pre-flight metal detector/X-ray/pat down process), my son threw up on landing in London, but because all hand luggage was banned, we had to deal with the mess using the cabin toilet. Which turned out to mean about 30 seconds of water - quick plane turnaround being necessary, I guess. Then quickly in a Heathrow bathroom for about a minute - we wanted to get the next flight out of the home of democracy, since at the time, it pretty much looked like anything but. Having flown into Budapest Oct., 2001, yes, I can make a comparison between a proud member nation of the West and a former communist puppet.
Ironically, my son was patted down in Heathrow while I was still taking off my shoes, and thus unable to tell the stout yeoman of the security state that the boy he would be patting down was covered in partially cleaned sick (to stay in a British idiom here).
Imagine what it would have been like flying out of or into a country that didn't value democracy or freedom as much as the U.S. or the U.K. And, imagine instead, that this is how much democracy is now valued in both of those states, if by democracy you mean a state restrained in its power to act according to its own accord, without any fear of its citizens actually reacting, much less effectively protesting it.
Surprisingly, at the same time that the U.S. and U.K. were going into hyper-security mode, the German police at Frankfurt had stopped carrying automatic weapons, for the first time since 1982, which is when I first saw the practice (the police were always in pairs - one with a pistol, the other with an assault rifle). According to a police officer I asked, the head of the airport police force had determined that the threat level no longer required such armed patrols.
What a contrast between heaving at Heathrow, and the sheer relief of having finally arrived somewhere that still seems to value democracy - maybe because they know what the opposite looks like, a hindsight which the U.S. and U.K. seem increasingly likely to share at some point in the future.
Posted by: not_scottbot at Jan 31, 2008 7:41:37 AM
If you see people crying at Heathrow its probably because its a horrendous, over crowded airport which is enough to drive even seasoned travelers to tears.
Yet still, my local council and most politicians oppose trying to make it a better airport.
Posted by: Tristan Mills at Jan 31, 2008 7:56:41 AM
AOL did a feature on the homes of the candidates, including an aerial shot of Edward's mansion.
My wife thought he lived in a resort hotel.
But Edwards had his chance, had his say, and lost. And our democracy moves on.
Our democracy is messy, but still the best there is.
Posted by: save_the_rustbelt at Jan 31, 2008 8:04:51 AM
Tyler, your criticisms of democracy in economic affairs might be correct, but I can't really see what you are arguing for instead. I assume you are not arguing that unelected experts should make the economic choices of the government.
Making the government smaller and more restricted is very much a political decision in itself, and definitely not a 'neutral' path.
Posted by: GreatZamfir at Jan 31, 2008 8:13:17 AM
Two cheers for Tyler's defense of democracy.
I would only add that like everything else, there is an optimal amount of democracy: too little leads to dictatorship, too much leads to anarchy
Posted by: enrique at Jan 31, 2008 8:36:31 AM
Democracy is the ability to change government with ballots instead of bullets. No more, no less.
But I agree, that in itself is a miracle. The miracle being that with roughly the same stock as anywhere else, it's not a whole lot worse, like it is in most places.
Posted by: Andrew at Jan 31, 2008 8:38:53 AM
Sorry, Tyler, but my local airline doesn't fly into Heathrow. Will Gatwick suffice?
Posted by: JH at Jan 31, 2008 8:45:05 AM
Laudable post, but... the US isn't actually a democracy... it's a constitutional republic... and that's an important fact to note because it changes some of the dynamics. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States#Government_and_politics and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_republic for more information (and no academic gagging over the use of Wikipedia as a citation).
Posted by: Ben at Jan 31, 2008 8:57:52 AM
I was hearing on the radio the other day that McCain did particularly well in South Carolina among voters who said the economy was one of their most important issues. I found this fascinating because I keep hearing people who actually know things about the economy say McCain is a moron on this front. The impression I got was that voters who care about the economy differ systematically along some other axes from those who don't, and it was those other axes that drove them to vote for McCain -- as with Edwards, because they identified with him in some way.
The mind spins, really. I hate identity politics and it seems to be increasingly what we've got.
Posted by: Andromeda at Jan 31, 2008 9:02:19 AM
McCain's consistently called for tightening spending. He's also said he'd push to make the Bush cuts permanent. So despite whatever his personal aptitude for econ is, there's not much political daylight between him and Romney. Maybe GOP fiscal conservatism is making a comeback and McCain is placed well to benefit from this.
Posted by: Ali Choudhury at Jan 31, 2008 9:35:03 AM
The only thing that I see that could move society strongly to a more libertarian state is technological advance. Technologies that change the balance of power toward the individual are the only things that I can see reversing the trend. The war on drugs will end if some technology makes it impossible for Government to fight the drug trade at all. Tax policy will change if it becomes impossible for the state to collect the current taxes. Trade policy will be liberalized if technology makes it impossible to collect tariffs etc. a technology that would make internet home schooling so easy and cheap that a majority of the rich and middleclass go to home schooling would put a dent in government education.
Otherwise IMHO we will continue to move more and more the direction of socialist democracy but even at that I anticipate that technology will improve productivity must faster than socialism destroys productivity.
I am betting that things will continue to get better at rapid pace, so “don’t worry be happy”!
Julian Simon was almost always right!
Posted by: Floccina at Jan 31, 2008 9:36:44 AM
I was really expecting the oft-cited Winston Churchill quote!
I find it a little amusing when people choose candidates based on 'issues' and feel they're being noble in doing so. "Issues" are almost always little more than buzz-words; I'd wager 1 in 1000 people can accurately contrast the major points of Clinton and Obama's health care plans, yet many people put 'health-care' as their main issue.
I view voting at a federal level as a way of choosing an intelligent, competent-enough person that more or less shares your worldview, and then crossing your fingers and hoping they'll rise to the challenge. Everything else is rather delusional.
Posted by: Finance Monk at Jan 31, 2008 9:44:52 AM
This seems like mostly unthinking sloganeering to me. You do not say what alternative you have in mind when you say we are likely to have too little democracy, and that it is great stuff.
Posted by: Robin Hanson at Jan 31, 2008 9:55:22 AM
"Democracy" has nothing to do with the liberty vs. security issues mentioned above. As far as I can tell, the vast majority of Americans are willing to vote for politicians who favor security theater over liberty, and they don't even mind that much when police with assault weapons break into innocent people's houses that happen to be next door to or confused with the house of a minor drug dealer.
I love democracy, but I would sacrifice some democracy for more individual liberty.
Posted by: DK at Jan 31, 2008 9:57:14 AM
Democracies may buy off the right interest groups, but very inefficiently. Instead of just giving
farmers cash, we massively distort the ag market. Instead of giving unions cash, we prop up failing
industries. Etc.
Posted by: Person at Jan 31, 2008 9:57:29 AM
Democracy is an answer to the question, "Who should rule?" It is not an answer to the question, "What ideas should rule?"
Posted by: Kent Guida at Jan 31, 2008 10:01:38 AM
I personally think we would be a lot better off if we worried more about chiles and less about who is going to be the next president. And yes, Diana Kennedy's books are wonderful.
Posted by: Ned at Jan 31, 2008 10:17:49 AM
Finance Monk:
Seconded. I was expecting this Friedrich Hayek quote (or else another one of its ilk) to make an appearance somewhere though: "Whenever it is necessary that one of several conflicting opinions should prevail and when one would have to be made to prevail by force if need be, it is less wasteful to determine which has the stronger support by counting numbers than by fighting. Democracy is the only method of peaceful change that man has yet been discovered."
Posted by: johnleemk at Jan 31, 2008 10:42:36 AM
(NB: Democracy in smaller, better educated, ethnically homogeneous nations is, sometimes, another story.)
Sir, I do believe your Rousseauianism is showing.
Posted by: Tommy at Jan 31, 2008 11:02:25 AM
Yeah, blah blah democracy, as if making all communal choice via popularity contest is the optimum path to maximizing human potential.
Isn't it a foundational precept of libertarian, conservative and classical-liberal thought that individual humans in free cooperation are the proven optimum path to maximizing human potential? The matter isn't so much about deciding how to control the power structure, but about limiting the scope of any coercive power structure.
The king from
Posted by: foxmarks at Jan 31, 2008 12:08:52 PM
Yeah, blah blah democracy, as if making all communal choice via popularity contest is the optimum path to maximizing human potential.
Isn't it a foundational precept of libertarian, conservative and classical-liberal thought that individual humans in free cooperation are the proven optimum path to maximizing human potential? The matter isn't so much about deciding how to control the power structure, but about limiting the scope of any coercive power structure.
The king from
Posted by: foxmarks at Jan 31, 2008 12:10:11 PM
Tyler-
Shouldn't you have put "progressive" in quotes or at least appended a (sic)? The use of that term for statist policies is just a tired marketing scheme.
I cannot understand why Edwards was ever taken seriously.
Posted by: Rich Berger at Jan 31, 2008 12:12:22 PM
...sorry...let me continue...
The king from the Little Prince story was an absolute monarch and total dictator, but not oppressive whatsoever. North Korea is ruled by an immensely popular leader, sure to be elected by landslide if the question was ever put to his people. Democracy is not as special as it sounds in popular chatter.
Democracy seems lousy at restraining government power, which must be more of a first-order goal. I agree that technological innovation is the most likely best path. Bureaucracy/democracy/any-cracy can't adapt quickly enough to keep us in our cages.
Posted by: foxmarks at Jan 31, 2008 12:15:33 PM
Nice post.
So do you also believe that private institutions should pick up the slack where public democratic institutions are at a comparative disadvantage? Or should less democratic government agencies (such as the executive branch agencies) be relied upon to fill in?
Seems like where democracy is incapable, it's better for gov't to just make a level playing field and let private institutions fill-in rather than giving a few politically connected technocrats the best info and letting them have at it with relatively little transparency into what they're doing.
Posted by: Michael Martin at Jan 31, 2008 12:16:55 PM