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Violence: A Micro-sociological Theory
That's the new book from Randall Collins. The main argument is that people are not as predisposed to violence as we might think. Collins cites a wide array of evidence, from military behavior in the field to, most intriguingly, video studies of the micro-expressions of violent perpetrators. People are more naturally tense and fearful, sometimes full of bluster but usually looking to avoid confrontation unless they have vastly superior numbers on their side. The prospect of violence makes people feel weak and scared. The greatest dangers of violence arises from atrocities against the weak under overwhelming conditions, ritualized violence enacted in front of supportive audiences, or clandestine terrorism or murder.
"Violence is not primordial, and civilization does not tame it; the opposite is much nearer the truth." Similarly, most political violence does not follow from centuries-old grudge matches, but rather from recently fabricated, dynamically dangerous social ritual interactions. Violence can appear on the scene rapidly but it can vanish as well, so there is hope for Iraq.
In reality most violent encounters end almost immediately, contrary to TV and the movies. Someone runs away or a single punch ends the struggle. The actual gunfight at O.K. Corral took less than thirty seconds, whereas the famous movie scene extends for ten minutes.
In combat it is just as dangerous to be a medic as a soldier, but medics experience far less combat fatigue. Collins argues this is because killing is in so many ways contrary to human nature.
This book has soo many interesting parts, including the micro-dynamics of the Rape of Nanjing, how British soccer stadium designs were (but now less) conducive to violence, how demonstrations can turn into violent confrontations with the police (lines break down and micro-situations of overwhelming power arise), which children and schools are most conducive to bullying, why basketball has fewer fights than football or hockey (no padding), the dynamics of a mosh pit, and how hired assassins motivate themselves, among many other topics.
You economists all spend so much time studying voluntary interaction, surely you can devote one book's worth of effort to the study of violence, and yes I mean violence at the micro level.
I don't agree with everything in this book. I think Collins too quickly downplays the importance of evolutionary biology (most fights are between young males), and it is not always clear if he has a systematic theory or instead a catalog of causes of violence.
Here is the book's home page, including chapter one. Here is a page on Collins. Here is an interview with Collins. He is now working on a theory of sexual interactions.
Quite simply, Collins is one of the most important writers and thinkers today.
I know many of you have a bit of book fatigue from MR, but that is because it has been such a splendid year for the written word. Violence: A Micro-sociological Theory is one of the most important social science books of the last few years. I'll go even further and say the same is true for any random one hundred pages you might select from the volume; it is also a wonderful for browsing.
It's due out January 10, you can pre-order at the links.
Posted by Tyler Cowen on November 5, 2007 at 06:38 AM in Books | Permalink
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It sounds like you would be interested in "On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society" by Dave Grossman. It has been a while since I read it but, he interviews soldiers and police who have killed in the line of duty. He also discusses the differences in the psychological costs of killing over the last century. In the end, he argues that the vast majority of people have to be taught how to kill and there is nothing natural about it. This was published ~10 years ago.
Posted by: scott at Nov 5, 2007 7:25:15 AM
Thanks for the tip. I'm intrigued by any suggestion that civilization and institutions don't substantially mitigate violence. I'm interested to see how anyone can reconcile such a suggestion with the state of sub Saharan Africa.
Posted by: JasonL at Nov 5, 2007 8:52:47 AM
or the extremely high violent death rates of pre-agricultural societies in general.
Posted by: josh at Nov 5, 2007 9:26:14 AM
About reluctance toward violence in a big news story of our time, post Katrina New Orleans, the news media seemed to assume that without police people would descend into violence and they reported the story as if it did but it did not. You could say that the amazing thing was how little violence really occurred.
Posted by: Floccina at Nov 5, 2007 9:31:25 AM
why basketball has fewer fights than football or hockey (no padding)
Baseball players are unpadded, yet fights during baseball games are not uncommon.
Posted by: Peter at Nov 5, 2007 10:13:29 AM
"Violence is not primordial, and civilization does not tame it; the opposite is much nearer the truth."
In context, this sentence from Collins is probably perfectly interpretable. Out of context, it is perfectly ambiguous. If this is the way Collins writes, I'm certainly going to skip the book. Thanks for the tip.
Posted by: ZBicyclist at Nov 5, 2007 10:47:57 AM
In this post Tyler notes the possibility that MR readers may suffer "book fatigue" this year, so apparently smart people are putting a lot of effort into writing books, while the subsequent post of the interview with Cory Doctorow suggests that business models based on selling books are on the way out.
While the two ideas are not in direct contradiction, it does seems like there is tension between the two themes.
Is this year's crop of splendid published work a relic - the product of habits and long years of investment in book length thinking? Are more of the important works being produced by tenured faculty, who don't rely on book income to survive? A freelancer/public intellectual may not be able to afford to devote a few years of life into a book that may or may not sell, but a tenured faculty can take that risk.
(By the way, I'm not necessarily implying any criticism of tenure.)
Posted by: Mike Giberson at Nov 5, 2007 11:01:42 AM
On Killing, as I recall, specifically addresses killing in the context of war. It appears to be getting easier for Western troops to pull the trigger, apparently in part because of training and in part due to desensitization via first person shooter videogames. Note that Grossman does not, as far as I recall, argue that killing is unnatural for all humans in all cultures, he's just intereted in our culture.
Posted by: cdeboe at Nov 5, 2007 11:47:47 AM
Charles Tilly wrote a book with much the same thesis titled "The Politics of Collective Violence". He categorizes types of violence (violent ritual, coordinated destruction, opportunism, individual aggression, etc) and gives examples of the emergence of each type in a variety of contexts. It's worthwhile reading for anyone interested in the topic.
Posted by: Erik at Nov 5, 2007 1:02:32 PM
Gregory Clark's "A Farewell to Alms" gives a somewhat contrary view, citing high degrees of personal violence even in relatively stable England in late medieval times, but with a sharp decline in murder rates in the 1500s. English male aristocrats were extremely violent, with 26% dying violently in the 14th Century.
In his description in The Face of Battle of the battle of Agincourt, John Keegan talks about hunting and farm animal butchery made ill-trained medieval combatants readier to slaughter people. Keegan cites the spontaneous arrival on the battlefield of peasants who killed huge numbers of wounded to steal their stuff.
The U.S. military used to give a personality test to officer candidates that asked questions about their hobbies and gave particular credit to hunters. It was phased out because it was so biased against women and suburbanites, but the retired head psychometrician for one of the branches of the Air Force told me, wistfully, that it really did help identify good officers. By the way, George W. Bush scored much better on that test than on any of the battery of cognitive tests he took.
Posted by: Steve Sailer at Nov 5, 2007 3:53:27 PM
A simple theory of violence is that people naturally don't like a fair fight. The War Nerd has written a lot about "war without battles" as the natural state of affairs. That's what we've seen in the Congo for the last decade: ambushes, massacres, raids, etc., but not a lot that would remind anybody of, say, the Battle of Waterloo or Gettysburg. In contrast, for two fairly evenly matched armies to line up facing each other on the battlefield and pound away lethally at each other for hours takes a huge amount of cultural conditioning.
Posted by: Steve Sailer at Nov 5, 2007 4:18:44 PM
The author asserts: ""Violence is not primordial, and civilization does not tame it; the opposite is much nearer the truth."
In reality, the murder rate among contemporary hunter-gatherers is extremely high. Even among the Bushmen, the famous "Gentle People," it resembles that of Detroit, while among other bands, it's radically higher than anything we are familiar with.
So, why are we supposed to take this book seriously?
Posted by: Steve Sailer at Nov 5, 2007 4:23:23 PM
Baseball players are unpadded, yet fights during baseball games are not uncommon.
I disagree. Yes, there is a ritual, frequently enacted, during which teams rush from their respective dugouts and act belligerent, but close examination reveals that they usually find a partner on the other team, and the pair does a sort of dance that vaguely resembles a fight but is harmless. Few serious punches are thrown.
Posted by: Bernard Yomtov at Nov 5, 2007 4:48:08 PM
Anyone seriously interested in the the best current of violence in our species would be better served reading Stephen Pinker's "Blank Slate". Violence is far from the only issue addressed in the book, and any economist worth their salt would be well served learning a bit about cognitive neuroscience and evolutionary psych.
Posted by: at Nov 5, 2007 7:35:20 PM
I would tend to agree with S. Sailer in that violence comes fairly naturally to a lot of people. Here's a link to an article that agrees with the notion that the good ol' days were actually more violent:
http://www.gwiep.net/period/ic156209.htm
Posted by: Gil at Nov 5, 2007 8:18:54 PM
These are not incompatible observations. If 10% of the population is willing to kill under some not-terribly-rare circumstance, then unless institutions constrain this minority, deadly violence will be common. However, if 90% of the population is not willing to kill except under significant duress, it will take very powerful institutions to turn the median individual into a killer.
Posted by: Cyrus at Nov 5, 2007 9:39:46 PM
Baseball players are unpadded, yet fights during baseball games are not uncommon.
I disagree. Yes, there is a ritual, frequently enacted, during which teams rush from their respective dugouts and act belligerent, but close examination reveals that they usually find a partner on the other team, and the pair does a sort of dance that vaguely resembles a fight but is harmless. Few serious punches are thrown.
Serious punches are uncommon in baseball fights because of the way in which the fights develop. Typically, the batter charges the mound after being hit or brushed back by a pitch. Given the distance between the mound and the batter's box, the pitcher has ample time to prepare for the confrontation, and of course the catcher often grabs the batter before he can get to the pitcher. This physical separation between the primary combatants largely eliminates the possibility of sucker punches or other quick attacks. The other players on the field aren't likely to throw serious punches because they're not directly involved in the original confrontation and have no real reason to fight.
In short, while it's true that you don't usually see serious fisticuffs in baseball fights, it isn't necessarily because baseball players are peaceful sorts.
As for hockey fights, it's my suspicion that hockey players fight mainly because it's a long (dis)honorable tradition :)
Posted by: Peter at Nov 5, 2007 10:27:13 PM
There may be a cringe quality as to why some have the capacity for violence and others don't. Is there argument for opportunity cost? "If I hurt someone I'll go to jail"? "I risk retialition from them or their family members"?
What of cultural expectations? Some cultures seem rather value aggressive muscular men as heros whereas other cultures who don't might see them as mere violent criminals. This may in turn may be a double whammy, if some societies reward large agressive muscular men and they get the money and the women then their genes are propagated first and foremost into the next generation leading to ever more aggressive people (cue Sparta?).
But I s'pose in the real world society has different sections whereby strength and agression is rewarded in one area and reviled in another.
Posted by: Gil at Nov 6, 2007 12:47:33 AM
Matches my experience. Most martial arts fights are over in a few seconds. Once you land that blow, the other guy isn't getting up.
Posted by: Russell Nelson at Nov 6, 2007 2:05:56 AM
i remember watching a documentary on a similar idea. the documentary made the claim that only a small percentage of infantry in WWII aggressively shot at the enemy. it also said that modern militaries were aware of this problem and that they condition their soldiers so that 99% will fire aggressively.
Posted by: drscroogemcduck at Nov 6, 2007 3:32:40 AM
and the explanation was that people are hardwired not to kill or cause serious injury and violent confrontations are meant to be about shows of dominance.
Posted by: drscroogemcduck at Nov 6, 2007 3:40:10 AM
But how the "Gujarath violence" occurred? Is Gujarath chief minister Narendra Modi a good person? Is he naturally tense and fearful?
The fact is that there are born criminals.
Posted by: GVV at Nov 6, 2007 8:33:17 AM
'Is there argument for opportunity cost? "If I hurt someone I'll go to jail"?'
This is known in criminology as "stake in conformity". Happy googling.
Posted by: LemmusLemmus at Nov 6, 2007 10:04:41 AM
This, from chapter one:
"The evolutionary orthodoxy of today holds that humans have evolved to be egotistical
gene propagators, and that males have evolved the biological hard-wiring to be aggressive in order to propagate their genes in preference to some other male’s genes."
is patent nonsense. Maybe he should have read a few books before making statements about evopsych.
Posted by: LemmusLemmus at Nov 6, 2007 10:10:22 AM
For those interested, there is a video of Stephen Pinker posted within the last week or so over at edge.org.
A History of Violence:
http://www.edge.org/
Posted by: Different Jeff at Nov 6, 2007 3:38:59 PM