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Norway thoughts

I'm back home but I still haven't made sense of the place, not even on a superficial level...

Oslo first struck me as more like Scotland than Sweden, most of all the craggy, weather-beaten faces and the wandering derelicts.  I mean Inverness and Aberdeen, not Edinburgh.  How could such a wealthy and well-organized country have such an ugly capital city?  Only the surrounding waters and greenery were pretty.  And why were so many people so poorly dressed?  Then we went to Bergen -- a "Hansa-Stadt" -- which felt like familiar emotional territory.  People were stylish and the faces were happier and everything seemed more intellectual.  The visual synthesis of land, water, industry, and homes was first-rate, and yes sardine factories in the right setting are stunning.  Usually I end up liking the uglier city more.  Which city is the real Norway, or must I now see Trondheim?  How can this country be the best place in the world to hear jazz?  It is the young who listen, not the old; the players are sincere and convincing, imagine a blond guy named Thor Gustavsen riffing around a flattened third.  We went almost every night, taking one break to hear Varese's Ameriques, by the Oslo Symphony Orchestra.  Yana loved it.  The fjords bored me.  They are as good as scenery comes, but they felt like a repetition of southern Chile and New Zealand.  I admired the homes which had outlets only to the water.  I wished I had brought an iPod full of heavy metal for that boat trip.

I asked for Voss water on several occasions, but no one had it.  Not even in the train station in Voss.  Some Norwegian servers had never heard of it.

I kept on toying with the theory that the country moved quickly from folk paganism to postwar secularism, with only a short Christian interlude in between.

We were never willing to spend on splendid food and the less than splendid food never came cheap.  In Bergen I had one of the best fish and chips servings of my life, I told the happy cook he was a genius, equaled only by the fish and chips geniuses of New Zealand.  I like to eat fish and chips at least once in every country I visit.  Somehow that was my favorite moment of my travels.  He gave us a free piece of fish and chips.

Does it make sense to wonder in which countries people are "the most normal" or "the least normal"?  I'm fine with the exercise being about the wonderer, not the subjects.  On the Continent the French seem the most normal to me.  In the North the Swedes seem the most normal.

The joke ends with the exchange: "A: Does it always rain here in Bergen?  B: I don't know, I'm only fourteen years old."

Posted by Tyler Cowen on June 4, 2007 at 10:46 AM in Travels | Permalink

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Tyler,
Oslo, unfortunately (like Amsterdam and Copenhagen) decants its boat (and train) tourists into the most sordid parts of town. Oslo can be great, but should be seen with a native. In an egalitarian society, it takes deep familiarity to be able to distinguish between the great and the mediocre, especially since the great don't want to be seen as such, lest anyone suspect they are not egalitarian.

The next time you are in town, send me an email first, and I will try to correct the picture a bit.....

Posted by: Espen at Jun 4, 2007 11:43:35 AM

OMG you're such a bitch LOL.

Posted by: Geremy at Jun 4, 2007 12:12:24 PM

Remind me never to travel with you.

Posted by: Morgan at Jun 4, 2007 1:50:16 PM

I agree with Morgan. Norway is beautiful. Just six pictures from my last trip are here (did not have time to publish the rest).

Posted by: pinus at Jun 4, 2007 2:08:56 PM

I hope you had a chance to catch a Turbonegro show while you are there--Norway's best gay, bondage, heavy-metal act by far. In fact, they blow all the other gay, bondage heavy-metal acts away.

One of my best friends is from Norway. We get together about once a week at our favorite dive in San Francisco's Mission District. As we quaff our beer, at some point he'll usually start in with what a great country Norway is. The list of free or almost free government provided services is long and the quality is high, so he says.

Once, after he finished singing the praises of Norway, I asked him why he moved to the US. He answered without hesitation. He said, "The social safety net makes life boring."

Posted by: Michael Giesbrecht at Jun 4, 2007 2:57:48 PM

You've been to Bergen and no one invited you to be guest lecturer at the Norwegian School of Economics and Business Administration? That's a scandal. I know I would have showed up despite the fact that I really should spend the time reading for my exams.

Posted by: Weinberg at Jun 4, 2007 4:37:06 PM

Apparently some of you thought I sounded grumpy but I loved the place! The citation of fish and chips as the highlight of the trip was high praise...

Posted by: Tyler Cowen at Jun 4, 2007 4:59:28 PM

Bergen is lovely, and it always rains. Always. I'm not joking. It always rains. And yes, Oslo is the least attractive of the Nordic capitals. I suspect it has something to do with the Norwegian love of the countryside, and their suspicion of powered-up cosmopolitanism (they don't mind powerless cosmopolitanism, hence the attractiveness of Bergen). Remember, they where ruled from Copenhagen for an eternity and from Stockholm for 90 years. I agree that the Swedes are the most normal people - hey, I'm Swedish, so what do you expect - in the North, but the differences are small. I also think that Icelandic people are anormal in a very attractive and interesting way, while the rest of the Nordic people's anormality is fairly predictable and boring (the Finns irrational love of sweetened vodka, the Danes irrational love of fat food, beer, and cigarrettes, and the Norwegians irrational love of the countryside).

Posted by: Dan Karreman at Jun 4, 2007 5:26:18 PM

Even though I'm one of those bigoted homophobes, I second the Turbonegro recommendation. Norway is well known for "black metal", some of the worst stuff you will ever hear and obsessed with being "TRVE" and "KVLT", so Turbonegro is really the odd band out there.

Posted by: TGGP at Jun 4, 2007 10:29:25 PM

On the Voss water - I believe it's almost exclusively export - true power of branding, playing on the image of natural beauty and clarity. But most Norwegians, even the more snobbish, know deep inside that the Norwegian tap water, or the water from our mountain streams when hiking is generally of same or better quality.

Posted by: Arnstein at Jun 5, 2007 2:52:08 AM

Did you try the gammalos?

Posted by: Michael Martin at Jun 5, 2007 1:57:20 PM

"The fjords bored me. They are as good as scenery comes, but they felt like a repetition of southern Chile and New Zealand. "

In your review, this sentence struck me as the most puzzling (and a lot of it was puzzling). Would you have said the reverse had you visited Norway first?

Despite the omnipresent rain, the view from the hills of Bergen overlooking the fjords and all those houses flying Norwegian flags is just gorgeous.

Posted by: fustercluck at Jun 5, 2007 10:18:21 PM

"I asked for Voss water on several occasions, but no one had it. Not even in the train station in Voss. Some Norwegian servers had never heard of it."

Of course people in Norway have never heard of 'Voss water'. That is a
commercial product marketed for the American market. Do you know where
water comes from? its not a product made by Coke a Cola. If you can get
water from mountain sources why would you buy it in a bottle? You are a
a product of Madison ave. brainwashing. You come from a consumer oriented soc
society that's over use of the world's resources is killing our planet.

Posted by: dolores at Jun 9, 2007 8:38:07 AM

"Why are so many of the people ugly dressed" - Yes u are absolutely right many norwegians dont mind how they dress. In Norway they have a "law of Jante" that tells " You shall not belive u are better then others" and It also shows in the way many norwegians are dressed. Its not "in" looking whelthy in Norway, despite almost everybody are. Norwegians dress like they feel is confortable and is not so interested in fascion. And the worst part, is that most norwegians are proud beeing dressed in this "ugly" way. Remember its not the clothes , but the person inside the clothes that matter! The norwegians know this from they are small kids.

Posted by: Erik at Jun 9, 2007 11:19:09 AM

I just have to say ;say what? You don't know anything about Norway! If you should say something about Norway, you have to live in Norway for many many years. You americans are so "sjølgoe"!!
And why do you even care how the norwegians get dressed?! WTF
And 'normal people'? No one is normal!

Posted by: Norwegian at Jun 9, 2007 9:16:11 PM

Somehow i think you are right. Traveling around the US I would also find it hard to understand all the colors that are present in Norway, houses, clothes, the nature and so on. Did I mention all the fresh air?
Have spent the last 3 weeks in Houston, the heat, the trafic noise, the cars, the pollution, and so on. During this time a lot of people have told me what they realy is looking for, les of all the bad and disturbing stuff.
We can still let our kids out on the street without fear, can you????

You mentioned the food, I have never seen such a wast of food in my life. The portions you get served over here is not made for a single person, but for a whole crowd of people. What a waste!!!!!
But still you are welcome back to our country any time, but this time stay of the drinks.

LOOOOOKING forward to get back to Norway.

By the way, I asked for some lutefisk over here.
Couldnt get it, strange isnt it.

Posted by: pamo at Jun 10, 2007 3:05:17 AM

I was a bit puzzled by your comment on the way norwegians dress. Yes, they are far less classy than the average italian or spaniard - and I suppose also less dressed up than the swedes. But if you compare the norwegian style of dressing to the scots, the average english, the germans or not at least the americans (with their horrendous baggy clothing)...then I won't say that norwegians are all that bad

Posted by: tim at Jun 10, 2007 6:14:40 AM

>Once, after he finished singing the praises of Norway, I asked him why he moved to the US.
I have been in Norway for some time now and believe me the Norwegian government has brainwashed every single Norwegian in this country. Once a child is born, they (including his family) starts whispering in the kid`s ear "Norway is the best country of the world, and life outside Norway is miserable". This is a country where top management guys will end-up paying 55% (or 68% of everything they earn above a xx limit) in income tax. When they say the healtcare services are free. LIES. I have to pay 20 US dollars everytime I visit my doctor. So when they say free they mean ALMOST free above a certain level.

Posted by: Norwegian at Jun 10, 2007 12:24:23 PM

"Voss water"? I broke out in laughter when I read that one. I remember that being over $10 a bottle in the US when I lived there. The thing is though, that Voss-branded bottled water comes from the municipal water supply in some poky Norwegian regional town (not the actual town of Voss either).

In other words, if the waiters in Oslo had actually known what you were asking for, they could have brought you a glass of cold tap water - it would the same. Norway has some of the best tasting public water in the world, and that is what you get in Oslo.

For what it is worth though, if I was gonna buy bottled water, I actually like the "Fiji" brand better than the Voss stuff...

Posted by: Sam at Jul 4, 2007 4:48:02 PM

They dont sell voss water in norway
and its not from voss its from Iversdal in Norway
we have olden and farris

Posted by: at Oct 10, 2007 2:55:19 PM

Hi, I am from Norway, and I am not to found of Oslo nor Bergen. You should visit Stavanger, and the entire Rogaland County. Oslo can seem abit 'unpersonal' especially if youre a foreginer. Bergen, I dont know, I never liked the place. But I love Stavanger, you shoud consider it if you ever come visit again.

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Posted by: jack at Jan 7, 2008 1:12:03 AM

and I have never been to Norway and don't feel any need to do so. My impression about Norks is that they are simpletons and peasants brought to modern times via oil slick over the north sea. If it wasn't for that they still would be poor, removed and reserved toward strangers and world at large. And the amount of fish you eat, and the rate of cancer deaths , gee whizz, have no sympathy for you boring, ridiculous, nationalistic people.

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