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The demand for Trudie

The entrepreneurial Yen Juan asks for a third opinion, the first being Prudie, the second being this podcast.  She is advising this dilemma:

Although I was raised in a Jerry Springer-type family, I have had the opportunity in my life to go to college and get a good job. Through a lot of luck, you could call me middle class now.  My humble start has created some problems for me.  Over time, I have tried hard to learn better manners and social skills, but I always feel uncomfortable and inadequate socially when I am with my colleagues and peers.  However, I also don't feel I can entirely relate to people from my background and I feel terrible when I realize that I'm probably a snob.  It's a conflict that extends not only professionally, but socially, romantically.  I would probably be more comfortable with a simple small-town man, but I want someone who can fit in to my world...[see the link for more].

Prudie says "relax", but I thought Trudie might offer some neo-liberal shock therapy...

Trudie told me:

Two problems are operating in tandem.  First, some people are never happy with anything.  Second, not all choices are convex (read: you can't have .73 of a kid, or with ease marry 0.4(Tom) + 0.6 (Tony).  In this case the predominance of the first problem renders the second irrelevant.  "Do you want to hate just any man, or do you want to hate the man of your dreams?"  Given the costs of rent exhaustion, you might as well hate any man.

The normative upshot is not to marry, if only to maximize social welfare on the male side.  She hasn't found any man "good enough" for her yet, which is a bad sign.  It would be more encouraging if she had written: "I once met Mr. Right -- just the proper blend -- but sadly he was married.  How can I find another just like him?"

The new problem is to precommit to not marrying.  That's a tough one.  Investing in higher education no longer does the trick.  How about having an ugly kid?  Here is another strategy, but Tyler can ask his readers for better ideas.

Tyler is not so extreme and as you might expect he is just a wee bit more humane.  He recommends playing an imagined strategy of 0.4(low class guy) + 0.6(high class guy), but taking your time with the actual choice, so you can bask in the expectation of having it all...

Posted by Tyler Cowen on March 6, 2007 at 06:37 PM in Education | Permalink

Comments

How about finding someone like her who was formerly "Jerry Springer" but now middle class?

Posted by: Hei Lun Chan at Mar 6, 2007 8:03:19 PM

Trudie clearly hasn't read her Venkatesh, in which a vivid section talks about how people who leave particular backgrounds may face the explicit exclusion of the community -- how in fact her advice-seeker may have had to transcend such threats of exclusion to rise to her present position. I saw too much of this growing up in WV and have heard it from a friend who crossed class boundaries; you really can end up belonging nowhere, and not because, as Trudie says, you're a "snob". I advise we beat her with a copy of Off the Books until she learns something about class dynamics in America.

Posted by: Andromeda at Mar 6, 2007 8:15:58 PM

Usually the far bigger problem is the person feels that they don't belong, and so sabotage their attempts to connect with peers.

Posted by: yoyo at Mar 6, 2007 9:11:15 PM

I have had coaching clients with this issue, and yoyo's position has some weight, problems are based not only on feeling and fear of not belonging, but also on guilt for those, often parents, who didn't have the same opportunity.

The best solution I've seen is a smart gal from trailer territory who got the education and a bit of the flair, who married a kind but oddball black sheep from a solid upper middle class family. Both are happy with their bargain. She's grateful, and he's relieved of a wife with social "should"s and ambitions.

Posted by: dilys at Mar 6, 2007 9:34:34 PM

This article by Tim Harford is sadly relevant. If women face this kind of social discrimination when they "act white man" by being upwardly mobile and living the American dream, is it any wonder that they choose to underachieve?

Posted by: anon at Mar 6, 2007 9:38:04 PM

Best advice is to relax, remember that there is no class structure or imposed norms in America and that there is someone for everyone.

Its the kind of advice that is easy to give and impossible to take. For some of us - whether we have met anyone like Mr./Ms. right once that we couldn't have or not - we may never know if we will ever be happy because we haven't had the chance. But, what advice can you give? There is nothing but to wait and find that right person. Its obviously the wrong advice to settle for Mr. Wrong or to commit to never marry.

So, there you are. Be hopeful and wait and be open and see whom you may meet. There are millions of singles out there! Statistical probilities suggest that one might be right for anyone.

Posted by: liberty at Mar 6, 2007 11:05:16 PM

From a non-American: "Relax and just try to find somebody that you like".
What is the point in trying to find the "optimal mix" in theory?
It will not help finding the real person and, besides, there are more important qualities in a husband besides cultural background and these are not easily observable.

My idea would be to get out there, meet people and hopefully find somebody who is nice company and puts my complexes/issues at ease. Also, I would say that the more she will go out, the more confident she will be on her table manners :).

Posted by: avm at Mar 7, 2007 5:21:01 AM

I believe that Jerry Springer is currently single; he is a successful individual who is nonetheless highly sympathetic to Jerry Springer types of families.

Posted by: dsquared at Mar 7, 2007 6:39:34 AM

These Trudie posts are too hard to understand.

Posted by: Jeff Brown at Mar 7, 2007 2:45:04 PM

This describes me, only my family history was also extremely abusive (broken bones etc). Nobody in my family graduated from high school (me neither) much less college. Coming through the back door, people propped it open for me because I was bright and motivated but I still feel I don't belong. Because I've become so successful (top in my field, self educated), I can talk about my history in general terms although I detest being a poster child for overcoming adversity. One on one, I have a stock response for social situations in that I describe my history as not being polite cocktail conversation.

Regarding men, I dated dirt bags or dummies for years. That was what I knew, the social class to which I was socialized. I considered middle class educated men to be above me. I got over this in my forties (after divorcing the dummy, before that was the dirt bag) and decided I deserved brains and wouldn't settle for less. Raw computing power to match mine. I *finally* figured out that a smart guy would value mine regardless of where I was coming from. I found a prince who understands the gaps in my education, who takes the time, not to tutor me, but to encourage my intellectual curiosity by providing encouragement and resources. At the same time, I manage to continually surprise him with the depth and breadth of my own study. I think my biggest personal hang up is the contradiction that I *am* intellectual (keep having to tell myself that) and a high school drop out. My internal image still needs work. In it, I'm knee deep, shoveling rotting corn muck out of the sewer lines at Frito-Lay.

Posted by: anonymous coward at Mar 7, 2007 5:09:23 PM

Er, not Trudie. Prudie. Hard to keep track. Sorry.

Posted by: Andromeda at Mar 8, 2007 9:25:07 AM


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