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Why are men better chess players than women?
There is now a comprehensive study. Two results struck me:
They found no greater variance in men than women. It had been suggested that since science selects for individuals at the upper tail of the distribution, a higher variance in men than women might explain their greater representation. However, the researchers found that -- with respect to chess -- if anything in most age groups women had a higher variance then men. Upper tail effects do not explain the differences in the numbers of grandmasters...
And:
If you look at the participation rate of women and relate that to performance, you find that in cases where the participation rate of women and men is equal the disparity in ability vanishes. Basically, this means that in zip codes where there are equal numbers of men and women players there is no great disparity between male and female ability -- and certainly not a disparity in ability large enough to explain the difference in the numbers of grandmasters.
Chess players, of course, have clearly defined numerical performance ratings, which measure quality quite accurately. The bottom line seems to be that men simply care more about doing well at chess, I might add that this speaks well for women. Of course this preference-based explanation can be tested further; it implies that women should have greater relative chess strength in poorer countries, where they are more likely to play for a living and not just for fun. I believe this to be true, most of all in China.
The pointer is from Daniel Strauss Vasques. On related issues, here is my earlier paper, "Why Women Succeed, and Fail, in the Arts."
Posted by Tyler Cowen on January 31, 2007 at 05:18 AM in Sports | Permalink
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This question is similar to one I was pondering last night. During the World Series of Poker last night (I have no idea if the episode was current or not), the announcers made a big deal out of the four women remaining in the tournament. At the same time, several hundred men were vying for the coveted “final table” spots. Why should a game like poker or chess have male dominated upper-echelons? As anecdotal evidence, I play family style poker about once a week with both women and men. In these games, the women generally play as well as the men (most of us have no idea what we are doing). The players in my poker circle that pursue poker more extensively (playing in casinos and online) are all men, however. For some reason, men seem to simply care more about a game than women do. My women friends are shocked at the idea of playing online poker multiple hours a night while my male friends seem (hopelessly?) attracted to the idea.
Posted by: KWA at Jan 31, 2007 8:13:11 AM
You saw the piece in the NYTimes on the 12 year old Chinese girl: "The newest talent is Hou Yifan, who is just 12. The world’s eighth-ranked female player, she already has a rating high enough to qualify for the grandmaster title (not the watered-down women’s title, but the men’s)."?
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/28/crosswords/chess/28chess.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
Posted by: Bill Harshaw at Jan 31, 2007 9:22:20 AM
Tyler: "I might add this speaks well for women."
H.L. Mencken said the same. In his book In Defense of Women, he maintained that men outperform women in specific pursuits (chess, music, poetry, science, nonfiction prose) because women have the good sense not become obsessed with such things. The one area in which he saw women as keeping up pretty well with men was the novel. Camilia Paglia says similar.
Posted by: Daniel Klein at Jan 31, 2007 10:12:14 AM
I am somewhat concerned that the zip code sorting is not giving you the exogeneity you want to make this test. Especially at the high end.
In the Chinese case, wouldn't your story predict that Chinese women would outperform Chinese men absolutely at the high end? [Since they have better motivation to play and have an equivalent early pool to draw on.] Moreover, the rewards to being a top Chinese female player are greater since the prizes they compete for are more generous than those available to men at equivalent ELO ratings.
But the top Chinese women are not clearly stronger than the top Chinese men. It is just that within the pool of world chess, the Chinese women perform relatively better because they tend to win women's only tournaments.
Posted by: JNye at Jan 31, 2007 10:38:10 AM
Looking at the paper, I'm not sure how they can rule out the fact that the 4 high girl participation zip codes simply have larger numbers of high interest/chess aptitude girl than boy chess players. It's not as if they took two large grade schools and forced all boys and girls to play chess after school in one place and allowed boys and girls to choose to play chess on their own in the other.
Posted by: JNye at Jan 31, 2007 11:04:43 AM
It is not the good sense of women that makes them compete less - it is the "good sense" of men who reward women less for extreme success than women reward men.
Posted by: Robin Hanson at Jan 31, 2007 11:52:12 AM
I agree with Dan Klein's - women don't seem to be as obsessive as men. For what it's
worth you can see this effect even in competitions where there are more women than
men, such as Scrabble. There are more women who play scrabble, but the very top
competitors are still mostly men.
It's consistent with what I've seen of computer programmers too. I've seen many
good female computer programmers, but the monomaniacs who could throw down code
as fast as they could type were all men.
Posted by: bbartlog at Jan 31, 2007 1:12:43 PM
I don't understand why people would be more likely to play chess for a living in poorer countries.
But if we take that as a given, the answer to those who say chinese women perform no better than men is that the men can also be motivated by earning a living, it's just that they are more often motivated to become excellent at a game, even when the prospects of earning a livving that way are much poorer than on alternative paths.
Posted by: Michael Sullivan at Jan 31, 2007 2:55:55 PM
I don't think it's a good summary that "[t]he bottom line seems to be that men simply care more about doing well at chess." Young notes that the difference could easily be due to women being encouraged to play chess less than men are encouraged to rather than to some endogenous difference in interest. Given the enormous differences in the ways girls and boys are treated it would be astounding if it weren't at least a significant part of the explanation.
Posted by: Elliot Reed at Feb 1, 2007 12:48:54 AM
JH Donner nailed why women don't play chess back in the 1970s, after asking:
"what is so deeply objectionable in the game of chess that women, the crown of creation, are incapable of playing it well?"
Simply that, Donner writes, "games are the opposite of human contact."
Carrying on:
"During their game, chess players are 'incommunicado'; they are imprisoned. What is going on in their heads is narcissistic self-gratification with a minimum of objective reality, a worldess sniffing and grabbing in a bottomless pit. Women do not like that, and who is to blame them?"
Posted by: Tom Chivers at Feb 1, 2007 3:40:10 AM
[The bottom line seems to be that men simply care more about doing well at chess]
I think this is quite a loaded implication to draw out of the data.
Surely the hypothesis of interest is one of "sexism" - that women do not participate in chess as much as men because men exert social pressure to exclude women. Anyone who's been to a chess club would surely regard this as at least prima facie not a ridiculous hypothesis. I don't think that the data exclude it either. "Men simply care more about doing well" seems to me to exclude this hypothesis on the basis of no real evidence, when surely the Bayesian prior would be that exclusionary behaviour by men has quite significant importance.
Posted by: dsquared at Feb 1, 2007 7:40:11 AM
dsquared - How are men in a position to "exclude" women from chess? How can anyone exclude anyone from chess? Any two people in the world can play chess pretty much at will. There are women's chess clubs - the only people being excluded from these are men. Thus it is irrelevant how chilly a reception a woman might receive in a male-dominated chess club, since she can just go into a warm and friendly women's chess club. Surely, since the distribution of chess aptitude is identical across the populations of men and women, these women's chess clubs should be competing directly with the men's chess clubs (aka USCF) and holding their own. But we know this is not the case, so then it can't very wll be exclusion, can it?
So the hypothesis is excluded because it makes no sense.
Posted by: ziel at Feb 1, 2007 9:25:21 PM
"Surely the hypothesis of interest is one of "sexism" - that women do not participate in chess as much as men because men exert social pressure to exclude women. Anyone who's been to a chess club would surely regard this as at least prima facie not a ridiculous hypothesis."
That chess geeks do not want chicks around is, on its face, a ridiculous hypothesis.
Posted by: R Fischer at Feb 1, 2007 10:44:19 PM
R. Fischer: it certainly isn't. Most chess clubs (in the random sample of the ones I've been to) are dominated by very socially awkward, very bitter men in their lates 20s and early 30s. They in general want "chicks" around, but they certainly don't want independent women with views of their own, and they absolutely don't want women who might beat them at chess. So, since their "wanting" to have chicks around is not something that has an effect on their behaviour - they aren't prepared to treat women respectfully - an economist would say that they might as well not want chicks around at all.
Ziel: you are rationalising like hell. It is certainly possible to exclude women from chess clubs simply by being so nasty to them that they decide it isn't worth it and don't come back. This is what a lot of chess clubs actually do. The women might go out and find a womens' chess club (if there is one locally) but they might just give up on playing competitive chess, and a lot of them do. They are thus deprived of the ability to play chess against many of the best players, because many of the best chess players are horrible, passive aggressive little bastards who exact a massive non-financial cost simply by making it so unpleasant to be around them. In other words, it is much more costly for women to become good at chess than men, because of the behaviour of a large minority of social retards in chess clubs.
Posted by: dsquared at Feb 2, 2007 5:09:14 AM
The question of why there are so few women grand masters was not answered by studying average groups of chess players and finding no significant differences between boys and girls or men and women. Sameness near the middle of a distribution tells us nothing about the extreme tails.
We have not seen any women to equal Albert Einstein or Stephen Hawking or Isaac Newton or other super geniuses in physics or math. We have not seen any women chess players that have been close to the abilities of Bobby Fisher or Gary Kasparov. I do not believe that is due to discrimination or cultural biases. There are plenty of women in science and medicine, but none have been among the most elite. There is strong evidence that men have slight advantages in some areas (spatial orientation, number manipulation). Thus, it is unsurprising that the most elite mathematicians, physicists, and chess players have been men. Women have slight advantages in other areas (language and interaction skills). Thus, the best and most brilliant (in my opinion) of the computer language and compiler developers was a woman, Rear Admiral Grace Hopper, who earned her math Ph.D. in 1934 and began her computer language work in 1943.
Posted by: Dr. T at Feb 2, 2007 6:46:27 PM
The question is less acute than it was a generation ago (when I was playing competitive chess). At that time the best women were _far_ below the best men. This was despite the fact that the great motherland of chess was the USSR, where gender equality was a prominent feature of the ruling ideology, and women were substantially present in many male-dominated occupations. Yet not one woman even approached grandmaster level. I don't know if anyone measured actual participation levels. But there were IIRC 25-35 Soviet grandmasters and it seems unlikely that the participation rates were _that_ different. Americans were far less interested in chess than Soviets, but the U.S. still produced Bobby Fisher.
There was a lot of gassy speculation about the mysterious mechanism behind the discrepancy.
Since then the rise of the Polgar sisters has proven that women _can_ be grandmaster level players. Perhaps even in Russia, the participation rates were that different, and the geeky bachelors who dominate chess clubs were a serious barrier. Idunno.
Posted by: Rich Rostrom at Feb 4, 2007 5:04:20 AM
In other words, it is much more costly for women to become good at chess than men, because of the behaviour of a large minority of social retards in chess clubs.
In other words, you got your ego punctured at a few chess clubs, and instead of searching inward for the cause, you projected outward instead. And you accuse ziel of rationalizing?
Your theory is ridiculous on its face from its Leftist political premises alone, but even granted those, you aren't accounting for the fact that readily available computers have been able to play chess for three decades now... "chess clubs" are by no means the only way into the game.
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