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This is my third trip to Brazil...
One data point aside, the most obvious difference in Rio, from ten years ago, is how much safer it seems. Many parts of town that were previously filled with stalkers and snatchers and kiddie gangs are now quite walkable and indeed pleasant. Small crimes have gone down in frequency, but crime occurs on a larger scale. The city has been parceled out, and if the police control a part of town they are able to keep snatchings and the like to a minimum, unlike ten years ago. That said, the clashes at the fringes, between the police and the favela kings, are, according to my Brazilian friends, more frequent and more violent. There is greater cartelization of territory, with tighter control within each market, but more at stake on the borders.
As Americans (and Russians) we are not used to visiting large, insular countries like our own, but Brazil is just that. The diversity is remarkable, for one example Sao Paulo has about three million ethnic Japanese. But as in the United States, much of the diversity is an illusion. You can be from anywhere, and do anything you want, but somehow you still only have the option of being Brazilian. Hardly anyone here speaks English, or indeed anything other than Portuguese. Many people claim to speak Spanish; that only means if you speak to them in Spanish they are willing to answer you back in Portuguese, with one or two Spanish words thrown in. There are few concessions to tourists, and even the most famous sites are visited mainly by Brazilians, not foreigners. It is one of the best experiences of intense cultural immersion you can get.
Yes there are string bikinis but they are overrepresented on postcards. The ocean walk in Rio is full of people who should not be wearing bikinis. Brazilian women are among the world's most beautiful but in part because they do not insist of being superthin. They will overwhelm you with their sensual earthiness, and their true appeal doesn't rest much on their looks one way or the other.
I had to wait four hours for a connecting flight from Sao Paulo to Rio. I saw hundreds of Brazilians waiting for different flights (have I mentioned that infrastructure is terrible?), but not once did I see anyone reading a book.
The food is better than I remember it, top sirloin being the best cut at a churrascaria. The cheeses, while not complex, are superb. The cold antipasti are often the best part of the meal. Only Italy has better pasta, and even that is debatable.
I find it hard to finish Our Mutual Friend, perhaps because the plot still doesn't make sense to me, not even on second reading. Still, I hold an obvious fascination with serial stories which pretend to be about one thing and are in fact deeply about something quite different; those who read MR most closely already know this, even if they can't always figure out the plot.
Posted by Tyler Cowen on December 26, 2006 at 04:16 AM in Travels | Permalink
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"I had to wait four hours for a connecting flight from Sao Paulo to Rio. I saw hundreds of Brazilians waiting for different flights... but not once did I see anyone reading a book."
Sad but true... And remember that your sample was drawn from the top 10% of population that travel by plane. Nevertheless, I am glad to know that you've enjoyed your trip.
Posted by: leo at Dec 26, 2006 9:43:08 AM
That sounds exactly right. I might add that our airports usually suck slightly less and are less crowded, but air-traffic controllers have been in conflict with the government. So your experience on that regard was intensified by bad timing.
Posted by: Cisco at Dec 26, 2006 10:10:05 AM
Surprising but true: There are more native Portuguese speakers in South America than native Spanish speakers.
Posted by: neil at Dec 26, 2006 11:14:14 AM
I recently visited Sao Paulo for a philosophy conference. My experience with the language was something like yours. I would speak Spanish and get Portuguese back. For anyone fluent in Spanish, Portuguese is easy to read. But it's not easy to understand the speech--it sounds as if the consonants in Spanish have all been replaced with "sh's". Anyways, I had about a 50% communication success rate, though fortunately I always managed to get buy when it mattered (for instance, when the hotel concierge told us what colors we should avoid wearing to the professional football game).
Posted by: Jason at Dec 26, 2006 12:31:37 PM
"not once did I see anyone reading a book"
Someday, the extremely intellectual Tyler should explain how he reconciles his impassioned advocacy of the Latin Americanization of the United States through immigration with the anti-intellectualism he candidly notes is pervasive in Latin America.
Perhaps Latin America is a nice place to visit but he doesn't actually want to live there?
Posted by: Steve Sailer at Dec 26, 2006 8:50:59 PM
Yeah, I know what you mean, Steve. Growing up in LA, with so many Latinos around, it was really hard for me to learn to read.
Posted by: Jeff Brown at Dec 26, 2006 10:41:00 PM
If it doesn't matter, then why does it bother Tyler enough for him to mention it?
Here's the top ten Most Literate Cities in America 2005 ranking:
1. Minneapolis, MN 382,618
2. Seattle, WA 563,374
3. Pittsburgh, PA 334,563
4. Madison, WI 208,054
5. Cincinnati, OH 331,285
6. Washington, DC 572,059
7. Denver, CO 554,636
8. Boston, MA 589,141
9. Portland, OR 529,121
10. San Francisco, CA 776,733
And here's the bottom ten:
70. Garland, TX 215,768
71. Fresno, CA 427,652
72. Arlington, TX 332,969
73. Long Beach, CA 461,522
74. Anaheim, CA 328,014
75. San Antonio, TX 1,144,646
76. Santa Ana, CA 337,977
77. Corpus Christi, TX 277,454
78. Hialeah, FL 226,419
79. El Paso, TX 563,662
What could possibly be the difference between the populations in the Top Ten and the Bottom Ten? It's just baffling...
Literacy rankings:
http://www.uww.edu/advancement/npa/special_reports/cities/allrank.html
Posted by: Steve Sailer at Dec 27, 2006 12:41:34 AM
Leo said:
quote: I had to wait four hours for a connecting flight from Sao Paulo to Rio. I saw hundreds of Brazilians waiting for different flights... but not once did I see anyone reading a book."
Sad but true... And remember that your sample was drawn from the top 10% of population that travel by plane. Nevertheless, I am glad to know that you've enjoyed your trip. end quote
I agree with him. But I think we should consider the incentives. With this big government failure in action (the chaotic situation of Brazilian airports), many people don't know when they will go the planes. Others waste time arguing with air companies' employees. To read a book, in this context, is not so easy.
Claudio
Posted by: claudio at Dec 27, 2006 4:28:41 AM
Unfortunelly, even in more confortable situations, is rare to find a brazilian reading books. Even in a bus trip or in commuter train.
Posted by: André Kenji at Dec 27, 2006 9:09:28 PM
I don't wanna sound like the-nationalist-who-defends-his-country, but in most cities of U.S. I've been to, differently from France or Germany, you hardly see anyone reading a book. Maybe it's a New World thing, too much TV and pop music.
Posted by: rodrigo at Dec 28, 2006 11:13:51 AM
"For anyone fluent in Spanish, Portuguese is easy to read. But it's not easy to understand the speech--it sounds as if the consonants in Spanish have all been replaced with "sh's"."
And that even takes into account that Brasilian Portuguese is pronounced very similarly to Spanish. My wife taught high school Spanish for a good while and speaks it well - she can understand and communicate with my Brasilian friends just fine, but the Portuguese spoken by my (continental) Portuguese family and in our Portuguese-language TV programming stymies her and drives her nuts.
Posted by: Arr-squared at Dec 28, 2006 10:15:28 PM
Books are exceedingly expensive in Brazil.
Posted by: Randy Paul at Jan 1, 2007 10:43:22 PM
Yes, books are incredible expensive here - at least the good ones - but this is not the root cause of the problem, unfortunately. Concerts tickets are also incredible expensive (can reach about USD200.00 in a country where the minimum wage is about USD170.00) and the lines to buy them usually go aroung the block.
For the Carnaval parade, the cheaper ticket is R$90.00.
Posted by: Claudio at Jan 7, 2007 10:59:44 AM
実はブラジルではポルトガル語だけが通じる国ではなく、日本語も全ての日系人達は知っていて、私にとって割と便利だったのでありました。私は全然ポルトガル語が、出来なかった為に、一般的のブラジル人と話すごとには大変でしたけれども、私が日本語に頼りながらサオーポーロまで白人として海外旅行をしている自体を見ていた他人達は割と吃驚していました。
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