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Kenneth Arrow on academic freedom

The pointer is from www.politicaltheory.info.  Arrow talks about when university administration should interfere with hiring decisions.  Here is the interview, in which Arrow speaks of Daniel Klein and political bias in academia...

Bowen: There was a study done recently by an economist at Santa Clara University, Daniel Klein, showing disproportionate numbers of registered Democrats versus registered Republicans in various departments at the University of California, Berkeley, and Stanford. [The study’s findings are available at http://www.ratio.se/pdf/wp/dk_aw_voter.pdf.] He has concluded that this kind of ideological imbalance has a negative impact on the education of students. He implies that there is a temptation to hire one’s own. Conservative activist David Horowitz has made much the same kind of statement, saying that faculty are preaching rather than teaching. And why?  Because there’s a gross imbalance between liberals and conservatives in the professoriate. Effectively, they are calling for government regulation of the academy [TC: Klein is not, this is inaccurate]. Do you worry about calls for legislation at the state level to correct this situation? Does this worry you as an economist or as a professor?

Arrow: You know, it certainly does worry me. It would worry me a lot if legislation passed. There was a concern at one time that there would be repression of the left. And now there are concerns that the left is taking over. It’s hard for me to judge, of course, but I must say that my department contains a number of Republicans. And they were appointed by a democratic group, whose members said these guys are good, and we’ve got to hire them. And so far, I have not seen it work the other way, but I’m a little concerned about where it could swing. In this case, the criticism seems to be just wrong, because I think the departments hire on the basis of merit. And I think it’s nonsense to say that we’re discriminating against Republicans. We hire them all the time. On the other hand, there was a department here that until the 1960s would not appoint a Jew. And, finally, the university did interfere, you see, in that case. The dean took over the department. He took away the power to appoint from the department and changed its   composition in three or four years. In fact, I was amazed how rapidly he was able to turn things around to strengthen an already very good department. To defend the autonomy of that department would not have been something I would have been very happy to do.

Bowen: The  economics department at the University of Chicago has had a reputation for many years for being quite conservative. Do you think that’s the exception that proves the rule that you hire, as you said earlier, on the basis of merit, not on the basis of party identification of ideology?

Arrow: There are people in that department who are not conservative. It’s a very good department. Most of the conservatives are really quite outstanding. I think they flock together. I don’t think it’s entirely the case where you pick your own kind. I don’t think the economics department here is reproducing itself. They’re different politically and methodologically. I think methodological problems have been bigger more often than political issues. I do not believe the university, the central administration, should be totally unconcerned about appointments. I used to believe that the department had to be completely autonomous. It took me a couple of years to realize that that was not right.

I can remember an instance at Chicago in which there was an incident involving a professor of economics who was sort of a village atheist type. He was a very good economist, but a little eccentric. He believed that religion was one of the big oppressive things in this world. This fellow saw a priest in class. He went and gave his whole lecture on the evils of the Catholic church. The next time the priest came, he gives another lecture. The priest finally quit the class, and the professor said that he could finally go on with the course.

Well, you know, the priest went to the chair of the department who had a very good record on academic freedom at the university. And the chair said it was a question of academic freedom. He wouldn’t interfere with this professor.          

TC: Does anyone have data on Stanford?
 

Posted by Tyler Cowen on June 22, 2006 at 07:56 PM in Education | Permalink

Comments

Tyler:

Do you think there is liberal bias at universities. Certainly here
at Harvard there is; these are centers of liberal indoctrination.
How comes you and other libertarian economists flock to GMU, say. Is it that you could not get jobs anywhere else. This bias, it seems, is not a good thing at all. Wouldnt it
be better for Harvard students for you to be there giving your stance on things too.

Posted by: commenterlein at Jun 23, 2006 1:12:05 AM

why not let the market do its thing? informed consumers (your ivy league kids seem pretty smart) who value ideological diversity then holding everything else constant punish colleges that are too imbalanced, and if they prefer echo chambers will then self-select into the berkeleys and CMCs...

Posted by: quitacet at Jun 23, 2006 8:53:40 AM

Isn't it undoubtedly the case that you see economics as the least influenced by ideological bias, though? I was an english major in college, but am now finishing a doctorate in economics. In college, the ideology in my department was heavy-handed. I came into economics by way of reading Hayek and Friedman, and I thought initially that economics was libertarian philosophy. But now that I've nearly finished this program, I can see I was not right at all. What surprised me, though, was how different economics was from english. In english, I knew exactly where each professor stood, because their ideology was at the forefront usually, or at worst implicit in what was said and done in the class. But in economics, I don't have any idea where any of my professors are politically. Economics seems the least influenced by politics. I don't doubt Klein's study, but in my experience, those biases are probably highly concentrated in the humanities, and some of the soft sciences, than they are in economics.

Posted by: Jason Voorhees at Jun 23, 2006 10:42:10 AM

(I'm not saying that economists don't have normative beliefs impact their work and teaching. I'm saying that in the classroom, I sense it's much more difficult to smuggle an ideology into the classroom. If anything, the only normative thing the economist is presenting is optimizing social welfare, and that's hardly conservative or liberal.)

Posted by: Jason Voorhees at Jun 23, 2006 10:44:34 AM

"And the chair said it was a question of academic freedom. He wouldn’t interfere with this professor." The Chair was wrong: abusing your position by introducing irrelevant material into a class with the sole intention of bullying one particular student is insufferable. The Chair and the Professor both abused the concept of academic freedom.

Posted by: dearieme at Jun 23, 2006 10:54:51 AM

Dan Klein collected the Stanford data for the Palo Alto weekly back in 2005:

http://www.paloaltoonline.com/weekly/morgue/2005/2005_02_23.guest23blues.shtml

Much earlier than that, the Stanford Review (the conservatie student paper) did an expose that AFAIK was the first inquiry (scientific or not)
of this kind. The Review's archives only go back to 1999, so I can't find a link to it.

Posted by: mobile at Jun 23, 2006 11:16:22 AM

Incidentally, the story about the Chicago professor who drove out the priest refers to Knight, correct?

Posted by: Peter G. Klein at Jun 23, 2006 5:52:17 PM

I was intrigued by the comments Jason Voorhees made. I was in college in the 1970s at the University of Chicago. At the time I believed that all the economics teachers were republicans (probably not true since one of them was Dan-now Deirdre-Mcloskey). Of professors in other fields I had no idea what their politics was except for one class taught by an acknowledged Marxist (which was an excellent class). I took two years of humanities and the only thing I knew about my professor was that he thought Plato and Aristotle were the two smartest guys in western thought.
Have times changed that much or was the U. of Chicago I attended just way out of the norm?

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