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Twentieth century music playlist
This list is from a talk by Alex Ross, music critic at The New Yorker.
Posted by Tyler Cowen on May 2, 2006 at 02:39 PM in Music | Permalink
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Well, I am not a regular classical listener, though I recognized most of the names and have heard many of the pieces. The token stabs at jazz and rock were pretty pathetic. The interface between art music and art/prog/noise rock is basic and profound, and though there may be one degree of complexity and seriousness between Steve Reich and Eno or Steve Roach, I am not sure there is two. I would like to play "Tago Mago" or some Popol Vuh or "Loveless" for a Ross just to get a reaction.
Posted by: bob mcmanus at May 2, 2006 4:16:59 PM
Bob, I agree. One would not get a sense of the achievements in rock or jazz listening to these limited selections. It should have been an all classical list.
Posted by: brian salomon at May 2, 2006 6:00:29 PM
"One would not get a sense of the achievements in rock or jazz listening to these limited selections."
Don't you think that's a pretty tall order for a 90 minute lecture? (And why do you think that sketching the achievements of 20th century popular music was the purpose of the non-classical selections?)
Posted by: gundryggia at May 2, 2006 9:16:42 PM
gundryggia,
You are correct that I don't know the exact purpose of the list but it seems to be highlights of music from the 20th century with a focus on classical. In 90 minutes I think one could convey the development of rock, jazz, or classical. It would have to be a quick tour through any one of these genres with a focus on major developments. The selections seem too limited to me to illustrate either development in rock or jazz or even the influence of classical on them. Perhaps if I had heard his talk I'd see the reason for their inclusion. From the link the purpose of the list isn't very clear, probably because it was intended for attendees of his talk.
Posted by: brian salomon at May 3, 2006 10:28:07 AM
And he's got the wrong Gershwin, surely? Porgy and Bess for me. Mind you, without Gershwin, the other leading Broadway tunesmiths and the early Jazz men, 20th Century music looks bloody thin.
Posted by: dearieme at May 3, 2006 10:44:22 AM
This was a lecture on classical composition in the 20th century. I included some pop selections in order to illustrate composers' interactions with popular music of their time.
Posted by: Alex Ross at May 3, 2006 12:41:59 PM
I thought it was a pretty good list. Hate to say it, jazz and rock fans, but their respresentation in that list is pretty much in proportion to the genuinely lasting statements made, and he picked more or less the right tracks. My quibbles would be (and they are just quibbles)
1. Three Philip Glass and only one Elliott Carter seems a bit much. I'd see the ratio reversed (and even heretically suggest that if you have Reich, do you need Glass at all?) I would also have "Salome Dances for Peace" by Terry Riley, as "In C" really doesn't do him justice.
2. No Gorecki at all? Arguable, but IMO questionable.
3. No Arnold Bax?
Posted by: dsquared at May 4, 2006 2:22:36 AM
(also, if I'd been giving the lecture I don't think I would have been able to resist the temptation to have the walking-out music as the ColdCut remix of Reich's "18" from the "Reich Remixed" album).
Posted by: dsquared at May 4, 2006 2:24:09 AM
Well, I don't agree with the above — a list of great non-classical music from the 20th century would be equally long, if not longer. "Loveless" would be on there. The idea here was not to create a definitive list of masterworks but to illlustrate with sound samples a diversity of 20th-century styles. I must say no to Arnold Bax.
Posted by: Alex Ross at May 4, 2006 12:46:51 PM
I think the list should include George Crumb's
Macrocosmos.
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