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Why education is productive -- a parable of men and beasts

We know the paradox.  Education improves earnings but most formal schooling appears to be a waste of time.  Many economists claim that education is mostly a means of signaling quality.

I view education as a self-commitment to being a more productive kind of person.  Education is about self-acculturation.

Men are born beasts.  But education gives you a peer group, a self-image, and some skills as well.  Getting an education is like becoming a Marine.  Men need to be made into Marines.  By choosing many years of education, you are telling yourself that you stand on one side of the social divide.  The education itself drums that truth into you.

Similarly, if you become a Mormon or a Protestant in Central America, your life prospects go up.  It is not that Mormons have learned so much more, but rather they have a different sense of self.  They have a positive self-image about their destiny in life and choose a different set of peers.  They also choose not to drink. 

The beasts model differs from classic signaling theory.  If education is pure signaling, just give everyone a standardized test in seventh grade and then close up the schools.  But the process of self-image formation, at least for most people, is far from complete at that point. 

That being said, education will look like what the signaling model predicts.  It will be about subtle brainwashing, image, and learning markers of status.  What the signaling model misses is how important those features are for your subsequent productivity.

Nerds will hate education and tend to embrace the signaling model.  Their sense of self is often formed quite early, and they do not why so much time should be wasted in school.  This is one reason why the signaling model is so popular in economics.

Part of the East Asian growth miracle was that so many citizens bought into the self-acculturation model and imposed it on their children.

So how much acculturation do you need? 

If you move from Myanmar to America at age seven, you probably grow up as an American.  Age thirteen, you probably grow up as an American.  Age eighteen, it is harder to say.  If you move at age twenty-five, you probably stay fairly Burmese.  So your identity is shaped by what you are doing, and your peers, between the critical ages of thirteen to your early twenties.  Those are precisely the years covered by our educational system.

Of course apprenticeships can turn beasts into men, but apprenticeships also turn them into working-class men.  You spend your childhood hanging out with other laborers.  As society becomes wealthier, more parents are willing to spend on education rather than apprenticeships.

Comments are open.  I am especially interested in how such a theory might be tested, and what it implies for the optimal content of education.

Posted by Tyler Cowen on February 2, 2006 at 04:30 AM in Education | Permalink

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Comments

Completing higher education is a signal of the ability to delay gratification, the ability to complete a given task- however pointless it may seem- in order to achieve the certification necessary to join a desired socio-economic group.

Education is a signal of buying into the system.

Consider why educationally sucessful minorities are often accused by their peers of 'acting white'. Contrast this behavior to the efforts of many young men to flamboyantly dissociate themselves from 'the system' through hip-hop culture and anti-social behavior.

Posted by: Dr.Cornelius at Feb 2, 2006 5:00:38 AM

I'd suggest looking at the UK comprehensive school system, which was specifically intended (among other things) to put everyone into the same system so they would acculturate to the same class.

Posted by: Peter Clay at Feb 2, 2006 5:45:33 AM

Oh yes, the horrible working-class men who get those wrongheaded ideas about unions, living wages and socialism. Guess that's one of the reasons why there aren't any more apprenticeships.

Posted by: A Tykhyy at Feb 2, 2006 6:15:11 AM

with regard to immigrants, sociologist and social psychologists 'scholars' have come up with the concept so-called downward or segmented assimilation, in which immigrants take over the values not of the dominant group in society but of the group they live with, have most contact with, if that group is marginal it has bad consequences for the immigrant group who settles in their mids.

you could then test this by surveys or with data on the neighbourhoodlevel, the problem is that the desire to move out of a neighbourhood with marginal people is ofcourse also self-selection which could probably bias the results

the whole problem with social science, (economy the least) is that political correctness interfears with testing things like that. Bad educational outcomes are the result of structural factors, discrimination and so on, never are they the consequences of personal effort or personality.

Posted by: mordechai at Feb 2, 2006 7:27:39 AM

Where does the idea that formal schooling is a waste of time come from? Do you think Larry and Sergey could have started Google if they'd dropped out in high school? Somehow, I don't think they'd have had the insight the eigenvector decomposition of the link matrix could be used to make a great page ranking algorithm if they didn't have a bit of further education behind them.

Posted by: Noel Welsh at Feb 2, 2006 7:51:24 AM

It might imply that our current model for higher education is misguided and that it should be the more (I'm told it's) traditional model of European schooling where you attend lectures and are assigned to professors for guidance, not simply the issuing of assignments, with the goal being to prove that you are worthy of some degree on review later--distinct from the majors system at universities now.

Posted by: Steven Schreiber at Feb 2, 2006 8:06:27 AM

Mordechai, that would seem to be a bit of a stretch, however. The outcomes have to be the result of some structural factors otherwise the entire concept of socialization is a farce and we are forced to posit that we are everything we will ever be from day one.

Posted by: Steven Schreiber at Feb 2, 2006 8:09:23 AM

One of the interesting phenomena I've noticed in the explosive growth of the charter school movement in the United States is how many of the schools are choosing highly prescriptive curricula as a foundation of their programs. Particularly popular are systems like Core Knowledge (based on E. D. Hirsch's series of books: Cultural Literacy-What Every American Needs to Know) and Saxon Math. These programs are markedly different from the free-form, teacher-designed, Constructivist programs popular in traditional public schools. The charter schools are saying (often explicitly) that the enforced commonality of these education-in-a-box programs, their consistency both within one school from grade to grade and between schools from city to city, will produce children who have a set of common knowledge and experience which they will use to interact with one another as adults. I think I agree with them.

Traditional public schools seem to be creating a balkinization of culture through the broad diversity of educational content and methods they use; this is one case where my "plant many flowers" libertarian philosophies seem to be failing. Instead, it seems to me that by ensuring that children share a more consistent educational history, we are improving their chances of being able to understand one another and not talk past one another, and so, that they become able to form the kinds of discourse communities they will need to shape and improve their world.

A major side effect of this approach, the one suggested to me by Tyler's post, is that this commonality also has a behavior-reinforcing message to the child: "you are a member of our community only if you know what your peers know." Surely, this message hints at a rather stark signaling effect ("if you fail to learn particular stuff in a particular way you cannot be part of this community"), but it also can lead to another, more comforting, and inclusive message: "by drinking from a common trough, you are becoming an informed, valuable, and worthy member of our community whose opinions matter to us because you can express them in ways we understand."

Posted by: Stephen Humphrey at Feb 2, 2006 8:17:32 AM

Education is a means to the end of higher marginal productivity later in life. That productivity is a function of skill set and membership in a network of connections - personal and professional. Education accomplishes both skill development and network development simultaneously. Skill development can be completed independent of others, but network development can best be completed while others are doing so as well. As you have noted, it seems that networks that are established early are the most successful, a problem later immigrants have difficulty overcoming. A test of network value could be performed using indicators of membership: university degrees, religious affiliation, professional memberships while controlling for skill level.

Posted by: Let it loose at Feb 2, 2006 8:32:31 AM

...the key term 'education' is used above... as if it some objective noun.

It is not. It is totally subjective. GIGO

In the U.S., 'education' commonly means compulsory attendance at government (public) schools for government 'education' objectives.


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"The main function of the public school is not education but social control."

{Dr Thomas Szasz}


Posted by: Gibbons at Feb 2, 2006 8:53:03 AM

"I view education as a self-commitment to being a more productive kind of person. Education is about self-acculturation."

"Men are born beasts. But education gives you a peer group, a self-image, and some skills as well. Getting an education is like becoming a Marine. Men need to be made into Marines. By choosing many years of education, you are telling yourself that you stand on one side of the social divide."

I think that's broadly right. I think, for example, about many kids from non-educated backgrounds having trouble and dropping out of college not because they can't handle the work intellectually, but because, I think, they come to realize (accurately) that becoming educated means becoming a different sort of person and, in doing so, inevitably putting themselves on the other side of a social divide between from their families and old friends. For some students, higher education means becoming the person they'd always pictured themselves being, for others, it means becoming somebody quite different.

"The beasts model differs from classic signaling theory. If education is pure signaling, just give everyone a standardized test in seventh grade and then close up the schools. But the process of self-image formation, at least for most people, is far from complete at that point."

But even if signalling theory were right giving everybody a test wouldn't suffice, would it, because what is being signalled is a capacity for self-control and persistence over many years rather than just intellectual candlepower.

Posted by: Slocum at Feb 2, 2006 9:27:55 AM

Charter schools might go for curriculum-in-a-box simply because the parents planning the school don't have the time to invent a curriculum.

However i don't mean that the curricula they choose is necessarily a bad choice. I mean only that the founders of the school aren't necessarily thinking about common knowledge or unified outcomes or anything else except getting their school up and running with a curriculum that matches their philosophy.

There is a self-selecting process in public and private education. Anyone who has ever taught middle school and then high school can tell you that. The ones who refuse to act civilized drop out. Sadly, many other students, who are civilized, also drop out for a variety of reasons, most of which are related to the lack of a sense that life has any positive possibilities.

Posted by: lily at Feb 2, 2006 10:28:41 AM

Can either model explain why people who major in engineering in college have higher starting salaries, on average, than those who take degrees in physics or Greek? It would seem that the only way to explain this is to assume that education does provide for productive skills and knowledge. Not to say that there is not an element of signaling or self-acculturation as well.

Posted by: Steve Thompson at Feb 2, 2006 10:50:13 AM

Slocum,
You're quite right about how education forces changes that some don't want to make. This is very true in Appalachia, where a common phrase aimed at those who aspire for more is "you're getting above your raising." This is a generational phenomenon for those who choose to stay or can't leave, and the effects of this sentiment go a long way to explaining the pathologies of Appalachia. Those who do get educated often leave immediately (hence WVa having the oldest population in the country.), while those who remain resent anyone successful. Lawyers in West Virginia medical malpractice suits seldom make cases based on any evidence; more likely, a doctor on the stand will be asked about how much money he has, what kind of car, house, etc. in a blatant appeal to the simmering class resentment of the population who make up juries. Of course, this results in medical crisis facing most of Appalachia today.

Posted by: CMC at Feb 2, 2006 10:55:54 AM

I think that Tyler is on to something. But I think he misses how American universities have dropped the ball on the acculturation aspects by eliminating core classes that are universally required, that are hard to pass, and that certify a minimum competence regardless of major. This is why college is only one step on the road to higher degrees in many areas. You need many more years to develop the competence -- and of course signalling can exist alongside the acculturation -- that schools are mostly unwilling to impose on their students.

The big exceptions are the tech/engineering universities and honors programs.

Posted by: john at Feb 2, 2006 10:56:19 AM

The old "eleven-plus" system in England is much despised now by the contemptibly ineffectual New Educators. But it had a point. If a kid hadn't learned how to convey his native intelligence by age 11, the overwhelming probability was he never would. And, as Murray proves in The Bell Curve, native intelligence is the defining characteristic for productivity and social success. Also, at age 11 most kids weren't as locked into a particular class viewpoint as they would be at, say, 18. So you could argue that the 11+ provided more real opportunity than the comprehensive system does today.

Posted by: Robert Speirs at Feb 2, 2006 11:00:56 AM

Education is NOT merely "means to the end of higher marginal productivity later in life." Tyler's acculturation idea ("beast theory"), which Slocum and CMC have aptly commented upon, is correct, though it's difficult to say how large a role formal ed. plays compared to, eg, family, friends, etc. Formal ed. is important, however, because of the way it is subject to political control: it's the polity's chance to shape its future citizens, to directly and intentionally play a role in acculturation by setting educational standards (that's not supposed to have a totalitarian ring to it - on the beast theory, acculturation is always the result of "external" influences - you can take some of the bite out of the Szasz quote above by noting that parental child-rearing is likewise a form of "social control" - all acculturation is). I'm afraid I don't have an idea for a test of the theory off the top of my head, but I did want to note that if it is correct, then we might think that, eg, after security and basic services, the essential project in Iraq and Afghanistan should be to set up an educational system with the aim of trying to produce liberal democratic citizens - much more important than setting up elections, writing constitutions, ie, giving them the institutional framework of liberal democracy, but not directly working on their acculturation (though hopefully participation in the institutional framework will be educational as well).

Posted by: BC at Feb 2, 2006 12:47:14 PM

Education is NOT merely "means to the end of higher marginal productivity later in life." Tyler's acculturation idea ("beast theory"), which Slocum and CMC have aptly commented upon, is correct, though it's difficult to say how large a role formal ed. plays compared to, eg, family, friends, etc. Formal ed. is important, however, because of the way it is subject to political control: it's the polity's chance to shape its future citizens, to directly and intentionally play a role in acculturation by setting educational standards (that's not supposed to have a totalitarian ring to it - on the beast theory, acculturation is always the result of "external" influences - you can take some of the bite out of the Szasz quote above by noting that parental child-rearing is likewise a form of "social control" - all acculturation is). I'm afraid I don't have an idea for a test of the theory off the top of my head, but I did want to note that if it is correct, then we might think that, eg, after security and basic services, the essential project in Iraq and Afghanistan should be to set up an educational system with the aim of trying to produce liberal democratic citizens - much more important than setting up elections, writing constitutions, ie, giving them the institutional framework of liberal democracy, but not directly working on their acculturation (though hopefully participation in the institutional framework will be educational as well).

Posted by: BC at Feb 2, 2006 12:49:01 PM

> It is not that Mormons have learned so much more,
> but rather they have a different sense of self

Isn't that an argument for the self esteem movement?

Posted by: Derek Scruggs at Feb 2, 2006 1:31:07 PM

This discussion, as I understand it, started out talking about the processes by which an identity is formed, roughly between the ages of ten and the early twenties. I am not so sure of the relevance of higher education in this context. I do think, however, that there is a lot to be learned from the writing of John Taylor Gatto (an actual teacher) on the subject of public education. From his website:

"Perhaps the greatest of school's illusions is that the institution was launched by a group of kindly men and women who wanted to help the children of ordinary families—to level the playing field, so to speak."

In my humble opinion it's worth having a look at what he has to say. He would, for example, suggest that an apprenticeship might be better at creating citizens than our current system, and that in fact our current system was intentionally designed to create willing workers only.

Posted by: Bruce Hughes at Feb 2, 2006 1:40:59 PM

Many consulting companies use the grade average as the minimal criteria in their selection process. They do not filter or weight the content of the curriculum, so it does not matter to them whether the student got a D- in Philosophy or in Finance. This would confirm, that they are not interested in particular skills. They are interested in the skill of acquiring skills - the ability to learn.

Posted by: Oskar Shapley at Feb 2, 2006 1:44:30 PM

"Isn't that an argument for the self esteem movement?"

No - studies have shown that kids dropping out of high-school may have a strong (even exaggerated) sense of self-worth, but their sense of self worth does not depend at all on school and grades.

Posted by: Slocum at Feb 2, 2006 2:06:49 PM

"Can either model explain why people who major in engineering in college have higher starting salaries, on average, than those who take degrees in physics or Greek?"

Well, yes, both can. Signalling: majoring in engineering, and doing well in your classes, signals your potential for becoming a good engineer. Acculturation: majoring in engineering is part of a decision to become, and to identify yourself, as an engineer. In both cases, the people who study engineering are suited for engineering jobs, even if their classes were almost all useless. (I'm not arguing that the classes are useless, but if I were then the argument would probably be that almost all real learning is on-the-job, not from problem sets and textbooks).

Posted by: anno-nymous at Feb 2, 2006 2:31:07 PM

BC,
there is really a difference between parent rearing and social control as exemplified by some forms of schooling. It is not merely superficial, but a rift to the foundation: the parents usually attempt to pass on the mystery of being human (however crass this sounds) while social control is about, well, control. Read C.S.Lewis "Abolition of Man", he said it all.
Regarding Iraq and Afghanistan, I doubt that such a project could gain traction in the USA, it would be considered too dangerous to provide really good education to potentially hostile nations. The joke is that a Prussian-style army-schooling is also dangerous, it suffices to remember the history of Prussia to prove this point.

Posted by: A Tykhyy at Feb 2, 2006 2:39:44 PM

Doesn't Germany make you take a test when you're
around 13 and then it's determined whether you'll
apprentice or go on to higher education????

Posted by: Sandy P at Feb 2, 2006 2:48:16 PM

I personally know an entire generation that is literally self-taught in terms of computer literacy. I didn’t learn to blog because of a course at school. I didn’t learn html, Photoshop or a plethora of other wares from any kind of formal course. In fact, I didn’t learn to type or use the basic features of a GUI from the instruction of a teacher. Nor have my friends or many of my peers.

I say this to suggest that if given the information in the form of lectures, notes, visual aides and the like - a motivated student could arguably learn many subjects as proficiently as someone sitting in a classroom (i.e. the social sciences and liberal arts fit into this category more than others).

I argue this point in: Will the University Survive? http://www.mises.org/story/2013

Posted by: Tim Swanson at Feb 2, 2006 3:14:42 PM

A Tyhkyy,

Genuinely iberal democratic Iraq and Afghanistan aren't a danger - that's the US's realist interest in making them liberal democratic (besides perhaps the moral interest that human dignity is best respected in liberal democracies ) - extend the liberal peace. If formal education can play an effective role in liberalizing these countries, ie, acculturating their citizens to liberal democracy, then it should be a priority for our involvement there. I'm not sure what to make of your reference to "Prussian-style army-schooling" - that sort of education hardly seems conducive to acculturating liberal democratic citizens (rather the opposite). Also, while parents obviously play an important (probably the most important) role in a person's acculturation, by "passing on the mystery of being human," if that's the way you like it, didn't you ever also experience or engage in this mystery in the context of your formal shooling? (Eg, reading the classics of literature, studying human biology, participating in sports, or the band, etc? - the assumption, of course, is liberal education, which acculturates people to living and participating in modern liberal society.)

Posted by: BC at Feb 2, 2006 3:39:44 PM

"If you move at age twenty-five, you probably stay fairly Burmese. So your identity is shaped by what you are doing, and your peers, between the critical ages of thirteen to your early twenties. Those are precisely the years covered by our educational system. "

But you don't actually spend those years in mainstream American culture. You spend them in a separate "adolescent" subculture.

Also, if we keep using "putting off childbirth for 10-15 years" as part of our signal for productive middle-class ability and temperment indefinitely, then either the quality of that signal will tend to decrease or the proportion of the population that actually has productive middle-class ability and temperment will tend to decrease as a few generations go by. Hopefully the former...

Posted by: Ken at Feb 2, 2006 4:20:00 PM

BC: I still argue they would be a danger, unless "liberal democratic" means that the "people of the best quality" (read owners of capital) get to write the rules and regulations and then govern the whole rigmarole.

Prussian-style schooling is very conducive to military and industrial success.

Regarding classics of literature, I wonder how many American schoolchildren read unabridged classics without all the right questions and possible answers at the end of each chapter, or indeed want to or are even able to (see the National Adult Literacy Survey for an idea). It is hardly good for status among peers, marks you out as queer unless the school is in one of the "oasises" (some university towns are prime examples). From experience I know that *stuffing* classics down schoolchildren's throats is a bad policy, a rejection is almost inevitable. I confess that I don't know how to set about getting children interested in good literature, important though it is.

I don't doubt that the school also transmits something of humanity. The teachers are human after all, and books tend to be written by humans too (though there are some tough cases). But "acculturation" as (roughly) "increasing humanity" needs to be distinguished from "buying into the system" or rather "being pressed into the system" by peer pressure etc. Look at the Soviet system (which I happen to know first hand), it is a good example. The system was quite a bit more obvious and visible, and people were force-fed Soviet dogma since nursery (I remember the portraits of Lenin and the horrible soviet childrens' books about Pavlik Morozov etc. in the kindergarten, although much of soviet childrens' literature is completely devoid of ideology and is of prime quality, just as many of the cartoons are). The school was a logical intermediate stage between the kindergarten and the army. You got rolled in forced-voluntarily ('dobrovolno-prinuditelno', a stellar example of the worse stuff in SU) in various organizations and carried out more or less senseless duties because someone said so, marched in columns, did research on Pavlik Morozov, boys were (and still are) taught to field-strip a Kalashnikov, you get the idea. The true acculturation was mostly through parents, grandparents, relatives, and the few real teachers. Those acculturated people eventually recognized the system as such, and rebelled in various ways. Most were content to vent their feelings with peers or a bottle of something, to pursue a private life outside the system -- internal emigration it was called; others spread the word around, tried to educate, which was dangerous. A few even understood the limitations of their particular point of view and warned against the popular intelligentsia sentiment "The West will help", which eventually prevented effective action. Many people who did not consciously recognize the system still felt that something was wrong, and their numbers increased when the economy ceased to work.

To summarize, I disagree with automatically equating "acculturation to living and participating in a modern liberal society" and "acculturation to being human". An existing society, even a modern and liberal one (whatever the labels mean) is not the ultimate stage of development. It usually has many flaws which are swept under the rug or glossed over or simply denied. People need to understand this, that it is only *a* system, and even more -- that any point of view obscures some things, that one cannot by oneself become really aware of this, that one cannot ever rise above all points of view, that the collective point of view suffers from the same deficiencies etc.

Posted by: A Tykhyy at Feb 2, 2006 5:36:53 PM

Surely this all points to the need for a college degree that is actually aimed at what (non-technical) course are supposed to do by accident?

Call it "Master of Core Business" or something and feature:
1. Heaps of public speaking in which marks are awarded for presentation and dress as well as content. Include actual instruction on dress and presentation, instead of expecting people to learn by osmosis.
2.A number of writing assignments, which are to be written in corporate, Technical or Journalistic style (as appropriate) with marking to be biased towards writing ability.

3. Group assignments, with one tutor per team, and marks given for teamwork and ability to get on with others. Actual one-on-one instruction from the tutor in this area.

4. Sales training and actual sales experience.

5. Actual hard marking

A 12 month course with all that should have much greater signalling ability than a 3 year BA in Merovian Feminist Pottery, and turn out people with much actual ability to fit straight into a business.

Furthermore, because a lot of the stuff (grooming, presentation, writing) is given explicitly, rather than relying on social networks, family instruction and the person being socially aware enough to work it out themselves, this course should work for your Appalachian, Hmong and New Orleans students as well as those from New England.

Posted by: Patrick at Feb 2, 2006 6:56:30 PM

A. Tykhyy - Sorry about your childhood (I mean that sincerely), but that means you should especially know better than to posit a moral equivalence between a genuine liberal education and the USSR's system. Of course liberal democracy is, in the trivial sense, "just one more system." On the other hand, if you care about things like peace, liberty, and prosperity, it's tough to knock, historically speaking - though I agree that that's no excuse to be complacent about its deficiencies. I'm with Churchill on this: (Liberal) democracy is the worst form of government (and society), except for all the others that have been tried. My point is that the success of liberal democracy depends upon the adequate acculturation of citizens to this political regime (and form of life more generally), and that formal education can or does play an important role in this. As for the dangers of a successfully liberalized Iraq and Afghanistan: sure, not even liberalization can guarantee that they won't be "dangerous," whatever you mean to imply by that. There are no necessary laws of international relations. Nevertheless, the liberal democratic peace is pretty impressive - eg, doesn't look like war is gonna break out in Europe any time soon (for pretty much the first time in history). (Of course there is the big current concern about the potential internal security threat posed by their growing, dissatisfied Muslim populations - but that just proves my point: it's a problem of acculturation.)

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Posted by: Steve Sailer at Feb 2, 2006 9:19:02 PM

"Education" may be an over generalization. Different people also approach eduction with different objectives and extract varying quantities and quality of value from it.

There are specialized skills that require specialized training. If I set about to hire a Chemical Engineer I may take an Industrial Engineer or a Chemist; but I am not likely to hire a sociology major.

In addition to the aspects of socialization and acculturation; people are learning what they are good at and what they enjoy in the education process. As they continue on they become more and more specialized in the training they receive and it becomes less and less about socialization. By the time people reach graduate school they are learning how to conduct specific types of research relevant to their field of study. At this point there is very little to be gained socially; though political savvy is useful in every arena.

In addition to their being differences in fields of study; there are also differences in the backgrounds and motives of the students. You state that an MBA signifies a 20 month sacrifice to join the officer class of the corporate world." But there are some students who sacrifice much more (remaining in poverty in spite of lucrative job offers to complete an MBA) and others who pursue their MBA because it is expected of them or simply because they could not find a job and have nothing better to do.

I believe your comments may be truer in more homogeneous institutions (prestiguous private universities) but is probably a gross oversimplification of the value of education in high schools and public universities.

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Posted by: Jim at Feb 3, 2006 1:35:14 AM

No, BC, I cannot come over. For one thing, you cannot derive "this system is right (should be adopted)" from "this system has been (so far) historicaly successful", unless you also suppose that "whatever has been so far(!) historicaly successful is right", and I don't think you agree with this last blunt statement. I could agree with your claims about acculturation, but they are very general. Any society produces acculturation to itself, otherwise it could not endure. Liberal democracies, as much as the USSR, depend on the masses being passive and not making waves.

Besides, the USSR system had many virtues which people are liable to overlook, i.e. extremely good job security, universal health care (even if unsophisticated), guaranteed housing (even if shabby and crowded), stable wages and prices etc. The USSR did not import significant quantities of high-value-added goods (except in its terminal phase) and was as self-reliant as possible in raw materials. Of course the military sector drained the lifeblood out of the rest of the economy and without doubt this was a major factor in the subsequent collapse; some estimates put the real military expenditures at 30% GDP. Sure, there was no real poalitics, government was only for nomenklatura class, and "anti-soviet" thinking was suppressed (much the same could be said about Cuba). But does this last sentence remind you of any other country? It does for me. It's just more subtle, is all.

Posted by: A Tykhyy at Feb 3, 2006 2:57:02 AM

"Where does the idea that formal schooling is a waste of time come from? Do you think Larry and Sergey could have started Google if they'd dropped out in high school?"

Being in a high school right now, I do think that, in the immediate term. it is a waste of time. The smart people are bored because they are understand things easily, and the rest are bored because they don't bother to try and understand the material. Larry and Sergey were probably bored during high school, but they stayed in so they could get to college and actually learn something.

"I say this to suggest that if given the information in the form of lectures, notes, visual aides and the like - a motivated student could arguably learn many subjects as proficiently as someone sitting in a classroom (i.e. the social sciences and liberal arts fit into this category more than others)."

I agree. Almost everything I learned about economics came from the internet or books, not a classroom. If you really want to learn something, you can do it yourself.

Posted by: Dana at Feb 3, 2006 8:45:45 AM

Do economists really like the screening model? My experience is that most economists who work in labor and education believe the human capital model--that the purpose of schooling is to teach academic skills, and that people with more education earn more because the academic skills they learned make them more productive.

I think that a lot of this thinking is the legacy of Layard and Pscharopoulos's 1974 JPE paper, which argued against screening. They had two empirical arguments against screening: that years of schooling are more important to earnings than diplomas and other credentials; and that the return to education did not decrease with experience. Recent data tends to uphold these conclusions.

The sort of studies that labor and education economists pursue suggest a tendency toward human capital. Most studies of schools use measures of academic skill--usually math and reading test scores--to measure the effectiveness of schooling; Rivkin, Hanushek, and Kain's 2005 Econometrica paper is an example.

Bowles, Gintis and Osborne's 2001 JEL paper is pretty relevant to the "beasts" model. They do believe in the human capital model, but think that non-academic skills learned in school are more important than academic ones. Their evidence is how much of the empirical return to education remains after you control for IQ and other test scores.

Posted by: mschrist at Feb 3, 2006 10:46:27 AM

There's the bell curve for you, Dana. Just lump them all together and they'll do themselves in themselves. Would you like to deliver your children to the same meatgrinder?

Posted by: A Tykhyy at Feb 3, 2006 12:19:59 PM

You might want to think of a new title other than "beasts model". Catholics and high school drop-outs are not sub-human.

Posted by: joe o at Feb 3, 2006 4:57:26 PM

Tyler, could you elaborate on self-acculturation and the beasts model. The signaling model makes a lot of sense. If nerds form their sense of self early in life, do they still benefit from the same self-acculturation experience in college?

This topic is really fascinating and this post makes me eager to hear more. I would love to understand this whole post. However, some of these concepts and terminology are very unique jargon that only a specific academic circle really understands.

Posted by: jezzajaya at Feb 3, 2006 6:24:46 PM

I like this self-acculturation. It sounds like the missing complement to signalling. One thing though is that public education is forced consumption, and that makes for a bad consumer. This is why college is most accurately depicted by the movie "Animal House." Self-acculturation is at work, but working against social welfare in many cases. The prize is a moving target. In the '60s perhaps 5% went to college in the U.S., so simply making it there was quite a distinction. The consumer got we came for and did not demand a quality education, just plenty of beer. As that percentage has gone up it's become more important to distinguish oneself within college and by attending a prestigious college. It's dramatically improved the quality of higher education in this country, though there are still more backwards regions, like the South. There, boys and girls are taught to be suspicious of education, and so they compete on other dimensions, like bravado and beauty. So the key is making that cultural shift, where the prize becomes a socially worthwhile goal. I think that's not education per se, but rather knowledge, creativity, and wisdom. To that extent, public education perhaps plays a useful role, that is to shake-up failing cultures by redefining the prize. I'm not quite sure how to do that, but I'm pretty sure our current system simply perpetuates bad cultural prizes. Instead, maybe the money currently spent on public education should be doled out to organizations such as the Nobel Committee, the National Endowment for the Arts, and museums. (Somehow the music industry needs no such assistance.) Then let the wonders of self-acculturation go to work.

Posted by: will mcbride at Feb 3, 2006 9:05:05 PM

Men are born beasts. But education gives you a peer group, a self-image, and some skills as well.

I am not sure how this differs from basic human capital accumulation. Being able to communicate is an important skill. If you believe markets are competitive then a certain style of communcation dominates high skill markets if it is likely to induce a comparative advantage in those skills.

In addition there is the issue of negative depreciation for human capital. It may be true that the more you use human capital the more likely you are to keep it. Thus, even engaging in seemingly worthless activities helps maintain the capital stock.

Posted by: Karl Smith at Feb 3, 2006 10:00:04 PM

Two thoughts. The first is a correction. Will McBride writes that, "In the '60s perhaps 5% went to college in the U.S., so simply making it there was quite a distinction." In the 60s, and indeed since the Second World War and the GI bill, far more than 5% went to college in the U.S.

The second is a two=part question for readers. Given that there was so much less formal education in the U.S. and Europe in the nineteenth century, how did aspiring young people signal their higher quality? And should we try and recreate that system in some form or other? Would the abolition of compulsory schooling or, at least, the reduction of the school-leaving age help us achieve that goal?

Posted by: Mark Brady at Feb 5, 2006 12:02:08 AM

OK, maybe you're right, Mark Brady, but the enrollment percentage has certainly increased significantly. This guy says it went from 50% in the 60's to now 67%:

http://www.realdemocracy.com/democedu.htm


As for your questions:
Young people signaled quality quite effectively via the apprenticeship system. So, yes we should "recreate" that, or more correctly get out of the way and let it happen again. In our modern, knowledge driven economy, technical apprenticeships would be much less of a factor. People would, and are, finding ways to educate themselves, often quite outside the realm of the public education system.

Posted by: will mcbride at Feb 5, 2006 8:22:42 PM

Very interesting. I think there's more to it than that, though.

I work as a programmer, and as such work with a range of other programmers. Some have university degrees - in IT, maths, or other subjects - some don't. How much difference does it make? I don't use any of the knowledge I gained in my maths degree in my work. IT graduates use only a small portion of what they've learned, and other programmers have to pick that up fairly quickly anyway. So you might think that it wouldn't make much difference what degree or not they had.

What I find in experience is that it makes a huge difference. The worst programmers I've come across have been without exception programmers without university education, while the best have been degree educated. Interestingly, the best ones have been ones with math degrees, followed by engineers, then a range with IT degrees (the most common) and other subjects after that.

It could be argued that this is what you'd expect from a signalling point of view, if math is a more difficult subject and the non-degree people weren't bright enough to go to uni. But in theory the correlation then would be less strong, because some bright people for whatever reason don't go to university or do non-technical degrees.

Likewise if it's all about self-discipline (as the theory proposes), then it would make a lot less difference what subject they had chosen to study.

I have an alternative theory. I think that spending three years studying mathematics at university, having to prove everything to the most anal level, irrevocably shapes your brain and the way you think. You may use none of that knowledge, but the way you think as a maths student is exactly the way you need to think to be a good programmer. Simply working as a programmer doesn't have the same effect, hence experience is no substitute for education (in the broader sense).

It's not an original theory: I got it from a tv program a while ago which argued that the point of teaching latin in schools was not so that you could go out and speak to people in latin, but that the nature of the subject shaped your mind to think in a particular way. It argued that it was the same reason soldiers do drill: not because having clean buttons and standing up straight teaches you to kill people better when you're knee-deep in mud, but that it shapes your mind in a way that gives you discipline and attention to detail - so that if you have to watch an enemy position for ten hours, you will watch it non-stop and not lose focus for a few minutes every now and then.

Following on from that, different subjects would prepare you for different jobs, with any relevant knowledge and skills being at most a part of the benefit of education.

So my theory is it's not what you learn at school that makes the difference, it's how the study forms your mind.

What would education look like if it were based on this? Probably more-or-less like it did 50 years ago, with more focus on subjects like maths and classics and less "... studies" courses. Clearly my theory is not original or new at all!

Posted by: tomdg at Feb 6, 2006 5:36:34 AM

Tomdq:

If you have a method to be able to take 25% of college students and get them to comprehend a math major, I can assure you of an extremely lucrative future.

We mathematitions are wired differently from everybody else. I've seen it over and over. Yes, it's a matter of degree, but people who never got geometry have little chance with topology.

My post-college employment has been almost exclusively as a programmer. If I had known that was coming, I would have made a point of taking some CS courses, because I KNOW that it would have served me well. Nothing like a friendly, "you idiot, what were you thinking" to reduce the amount of time spent on wrong paths.

Posted by: Nathan Zook at Feb 6, 2006 11:25:34 AM

It might interest you to know that there is a school in Massachussets where students are given the full responsibility over their own education. There are no compulsionary classes, no tests, no grades. The school has 170 students age 4 to 18. There are no age groups and the school is run democratically.

The results are impressive: over 80% pursues formal education after leaving the school. The range of professions pursued by the students of the Sudbury Valley School is similar to that of the American population, though there are more Sudbury Valley graduates working as independent undertakers and in social professions.

their website is www.sudval.org

Posted by: Tuur Demeester at Feb 7, 2006 2:50:41 AM

Tyler, how does your theory differ from many people's theories that the purpose of school is to brainwash and break people?
Obviously, that you think it's a good thing is an important difference, but you should address this closely related theory, which is fairly common.

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4) The differentiating function. Once their social role has been "diagnosed," children are to be sorted by role and trained only so far as their destination in the social machine merits - and not one step further. So much for making kids their personal best.

5) The selective function. This refers not to human choice at all but to Darwin's theory of natural selection as applied to what he called "the favored races." In short, the idea is to help things along by consciously attempting to improve the breeding stock. Schools are meant to tag the unfit - with poor grades, remedial placement, and other punishments - clearly enough that their peers will accept them as inferior and effectively bar them from the reproductive sweepstakes. That's what all those little humiliations from first grade onward were intended to do: wash the dirt down the drain.

6) The propaedeutic function. The societal system implied by these rules will require an elite group of caretakers. To that end, a small fraction of the kids will quietly be taught how to manage this continuing project, how to watch over and control a population deliberately dumbed down and declawed in order that government might proceed unchallenged and corporations might never want for obedient labor.

Posted by: Jon Smith at Mar 27, 2008 8:27:02 PM

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