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Should Wal-Mart be Allowed to Enter Commercial Banking?
"I don't know if Wal-Mart would be good or bad for banking in the long run. But I'll bet ATM fees would come down pretty quick."
Here is more detail. Wal-Mart has applied for deposit insurance protection in the state of Utah, so it can open an industrial loan corporation. Surprise, surprise, American banks don't like the idea.
My take: Since the New Deal the United States has upheld a legal separation between banking and commerce. The banking sector receives deposit insurance and access to the Fed as lender of last resort, but is placed under special supervision and must meet capital requirements. You -- especially my libertarian readers -- may not like this deal but in the short-run, medium-run and perhaps the long-run as well, it is a fact.
As a first-cut approximation, this deal is for banks a tax in good times but a subsidy in bad times.
So what happens if you let banking and commerce blend too much? One danger is that you extend Fed subsidies to the commercial sector. Should we have to bail out banks because their commercial arms have gone under? (Don't expect too much of Chinese walls in a crisis.) What if GM had a bank and the whole concern went under next year? Widespread chicanery with pension funds is not reassuring in this regard.
A quite different danger is that the less-regulated commercial firms can outcompete banks. I suspect Wal-Mart is run much better than most banking firms, which don't seem to care much about customer service. But if enough deposits shift to the commercial sector, banks-as-we-know-them might drop like rotten apples. Creative destruction is all well and fine, but here the taxpayer is holding the bag. And if traditional banks approach extinction, they might take excess risk as their capitalization falls, as happened with many S&Ls in the 1980s.
How far can we let commerce and banking mix? The lending arms of automobile companies so far have worked fine. The old "non-bank banks" -- most prominently Sears Roebuck -- did not create major troubles for the Fed, although banks hated the lesser regulated competition. But somewhere along the line, enough stones add up to form a pile.
View one: Wal-Mart is a big enough stone to constitute a pile. Don't let it happen. Greenspan himself was skeptical of the ILC exemption.
View two: Wal-Mart in Utah is just one stone. This reform will make customers better off, while keeping us on the safe side of the line.
View three: Letting Wal-Mart into banking will force other beneficial banking reforms, such as pricing deposit insurance for risk, or greater reliance on private insurance.
View four: All the worries are hogwash, full steam ahead.
Right now your risk-averse blogger is hovering between views one and two. Stay tuned...
Posted by Tyler Cowen on February 14, 2006 at 07:12 AM in Economics | Permalink
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View Five: good for Utah, bad for the other 49 states.
a) Federalism in banking does not have a great history.
b) Utah does not have a good history with its choices of progressive economic legislation.
(This is a loophole from when Utah had more crackpots that it does now ... and most of America still thinks Utah is outside the box in a bad way.)
But, here's the tradeoff: views two, three and four are probably the most correct, so Wal-Mart will help cleanse Utah of ILCs through stiff competition, but leave the rest of the country open to the effects of view one.
As a Utah resident I'm all for this, but as an economist I have my doubts.
Posted by: David Tufte at Feb 14, 2006 9:09:53 AM
Who's to say that the National Bank of Wal-Mart won't eagerly engage in many of banking's most annoying practices, as rate-jacking on credit cards and the charging of unnecessary ATM fees?
Posted by: Peter at Feb 14, 2006 9:26:04 AM
RE ATM Fees: You do realize that it costs banks money to operate ATMs, and that to a limited extent banks extend you credit when you use one of their ATMs as a non-customer? The bank has to wait until it can process the transaction against your bank (the ACH is not free), the $2 is charged to cover that expense.
And I'm all for Wal-Mart getting into commercial banking as long as they have to play by exactly the same rules as everyone else.
Posted by: Timothy at Feb 14, 2006 9:32:00 AM
Wow ... Just think of what Skilling, Fastow and Lay could have accomplished had Enron been able to run its own bank! Think of how much more efficient it would have been!
Posted by: jm at Feb 14, 2006 9:56:52 AM
Timothy -
Of course banks occur some costs associated with ATM's, but it surely isn't $2 per transaction, in fact it's probably not even close.
Posted by: Peter at Feb 14, 2006 10:02:49 AM
I don't mind Walmart owning a bank so long as its bank cannot extend commercial
loans to the parent. One solution would be for Walmart to run a narrow bank, ie, to
be allowed to hold only t-bills and the like on the assets side. A less restrictive
approach would be to allow them also to make consumer loans, though not mortgages.
These suggestions though would require enabling and restricting legislation. Under
current rules I lean towards View 2, with hyper-vigilant FDIC examiners.
Posted by: Acad Ronin at Feb 14, 2006 10:19:32 AM
Peter-
I work for an armored courier and we replenish and maintain ATMs. I can tell you that we charge an outrageous fee for such a dangerous activity. Also remember that there are ATMs on almost every corner nowadays, so competition has brought the fees down as far as they'll go.
Posted by: Jeremiah at Feb 14, 2006 11:55:37 AM
Perhaps I'm confused, but don't corporations operate banks already? What are GE Capital and Ford Motor Credit Corp.? Is it that they're not FDIC-insured, but just specialize in extending credit for major (and not so major) expenses? Does their experience shed light on the (un)favorability of Wal-Mart's venture?
Posted by: RSaunders at Feb 14, 2006 12:34:46 PM
Deregulate the banks, full steam ahead.
The problem isn't that Wal-Mart's thinking of getting into banking. The problem is the cartelisation of the American banking industry under the Federal Reserve.
- Josh
Posted by: Wild Pegasus at Feb 14, 2006 1:14:36 PM
Two things. First, the banking business is highly competitive. The pricing on loans made to businesses and for mortgages is evidence. Same thing with ATMs. While Wal-Mart would be free to price its banking services in any manner it sees fit, it will have a very difficult time growing deposits without engaging in competitive pricing.
Second, Tyler mentioned the deposit insurance system. The recent passage of deposit reform legislation will result in a new risk-based system for pricing insurance premiums, probably by year end.
Posted by: Nathan at Feb 14, 2006 3:40:05 PM
ATM fees? Huh, you what? Charges to get your own money out of the bank?
Say it ain't so, Joe.
PS. I'm English.
Posted by: Richard Gadsden at Feb 14, 2006 4:37:22 PM
GM, Sears, Volkswagen, Morgan Stanley, Pitney Bowes all have ILC banks.
The one difference between ILCs and regular banks (at least for now) is that ILCs cannot offer checking accounts (unless and until H.R. 1224 which passed the House and is now in the Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs in Senate becomes "law".)
In the same way that I agree we should open up immigration but understand that we cannot as long as we have this welfare state in place, I also agree, in principle, that we should deregulate the banking industry. However, as long as we allow banks the power to print money we simply cannot open the industry up to every Enron and WalMart that comes along.
Posted by: Mesah at Feb 14, 2006 5:14:39 PM
No way that ATM fees go down. The 7th largest bank in the U.S. didn't charge fees at it's ATMs for the last 5 years and had to abandon that policy last year because it ended up punishing it's own customers. Customers from all the other banks would use their ATMs for free, while their own customers had to endure longer lines, and when their customers went to other institutions, they were hit with the fees. Providing a free service to the customers of other institutions didn't end up working, and WalMart would figure this out pretty quick. They are by no means altruistic.
Posted by: mike at Feb 14, 2006 6:32:28 PM
A little history is worth a lot. The slogan about separating banking and commerce is a left over from the New Deal. One of the centerpieces of that era was the mom and pop small town bank. Deposit insurance was instituted to allow those banks to continue to function despite their concentration of risk. The bank holding company evolved as a way around that paradigm. One of the restrictions placed on the bank holding company as part of the trade offs in allowing them to exist was the limitation on non-banking activities.
It is important to understand that the BHC restrictions a mere shadow of their former selves. Giants like Chase, Citibank, BoA now stand astride the national financial system, and have pretty much turned the old BHC into dead letter. Non-bank institutions have assumed core banking functions like the finance companies mentioned by Mr. Saunders above. There is no real reason to disallow Wal*Mart from entering the fray.
My question is whether Wal*Mart will be able to run a bank profitably given that probably don't attract very many high net-worth individuals or businesses.
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at Feb 14, 2006 11:36:43 PM
This is more of a question than a comment:
What about the idea of a credit union for Sam's Club members?
Posted by: Ted Craig at Feb 15, 2006 9:06:41 AM
What about the idea of a credit union for Sam's Club members?
Credit unions are non-profit cooperatives of shareholders; Wal-Mart wouldn't make any money off setting one up.
The real question is can Wal-Mart make more money running its own bank than it can by simply leasing space in its stores to BoA or another bank (perhaps a new entrant to retail banking like ING) that operates nationwide?
Posted by: Chris Lawrence at Feb 15, 2006 9:47:32 PM
As for the asset question, Mr. Schwartz has clearly never been to a Wal-Mart in Florida--a bank that gets the checking and savings accounts and CDs of a bunch of retirees will do well for itself.
Option 2 for Wal-Mart would be to get into the "unbanked" market--arguably they'd do a real public service by driving out the predatory lenders and check-cashing businesses, and they'd make a killing at it, particularly if they went all-EBT (unbanked people don't need or want checkbooks--give the unbanked population a debit card that lets them make a deposit at any Wal-Mart cash register in the country).
Posted by: Chris Lawrence at Feb 15, 2006 9:54:28 PM
Yes, I think Walmart should be allowed to start a banking industry. I can't wait to tell you the truth. The interest rates are too high at Bank of America and now they are charging me over 30% interest because I was late on a payment... and as you know you have to pay on time for 6 consecutive months before they'll lower it. I don't think that's fair. I can see 1 month of being slapped on the wrist but not 6... they're screwing us into the dirt and they know it... and getting richer and richer off of the lower income customers.
I don't shop that much at Walmart but I will do my banking there if the fees and interest rates are lower.
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