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Should You Treat Your Marriage Like a Job?
Scott Haltzman, a psychiatrist and Brown University professor, has been studying marriages good and bad for a long time, both in his clinical work and via his Web site, http://www.secretsofmarriedmen.com/ . His new book, "The Secrets of Happily Married Men" collects what he says are the guy behaviors that lead to happy marriage...
Haltzman believes conventional marital therapy often tries to make men more like women -- you know, getting in touch with their feelings, talking about their feelings, feeling their wives' feelings, etc. But this approach is doomed to failure, he says, largely because men and women are equipped with such different hardware from the neck up...
Use the male habits and male skills that serve him well at work, at play, in competition, in the field and in other venues where he thrives. View marriage as your most important task, Haltzman urges men, and pursue success as you would anything else that matters. The assumption is it's a lot more pleasant, and the payoffs far greater, to live with a woman who is satisfied, secure and feeling loved compared to one who is none of the above. Make this your job, he says.
Here is the full article, noting that some of the specific recommendations ("gather data" on your wife) are excessively mechanical.
The key question: if a man at times undervalues a happy marriage and happy wife, how can he act to undercut or avoid this weakness of character? If you think male infidelity is the main potential problem, "taking pride in your instrumental rationality" is not going to do the trick. Alternatively, you might think that male emotional withdrawal is the main problem, in which case instrumental rationality, and subsequent attention, might be an acceptable (partial) substitute for many women.
Under another scenario, the problem is that men stop trying because they feel their wives expect too much. If you are damned anyway, at the margin why bother? This book is useful for telling men their efforts can matter, even if they can't. The very act of trying confers a positive externality upon your wife.
The recommendations of this book assume that you screw up the means-ends relationship with your wife, rather than undervaluing the end of a happy marriage (or overvaluing some other competing end). Misesians, Beckerians, and other partisans of rational economic man shouldn't bite. Behavioral economists, step on board.
Comments are open...and you can buy the book here.
Posted by Tyler Cowen on January 26, 2006 at 03:05 AM in Books | Permalink
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Might be a good idea for guys who don't get it any other way. Maybe they'll finally grow up in the process, including emotionally.
Posted by: A Tykhyy at Jan 26, 2006 3:38:42 AM
Marriage is not a job, but commercial contract between two equal parties.
There must be a boss and a subordinated to make s job-style relationship. Whenever the husband feels his wife is the boss, the marriage is doomed. No way to save it.
Posted by: Pavel at Jan 26, 2006 5:12:03 AM
Sorry, there was a typo in my previous comment. Correction:
"There must be a boss and a subordinate to make a job-style relationship."
Posted by: Pavel at Jan 26, 2006 5:14:07 AM
OK, OK, but how is this different from the "think of our girlfriend/wife as an utility function" school of thought that we know and love? :-)
Posted by: Gabriel Mihalache at Jan 26, 2006 7:07:21 AM
"Use the male habits and male skills..." is exactly correct. Your wife is your favorite play thing. And I don't mean just sexually. If she wanted to live with a women she would have already. What good is (name something you would lose your wife over) if you can't keep your wife satisfied.
Women are easy to satify. Just don't believe all the BS put out by women and men who want to be women.
Figure out what your wife really desires and make sure she gets it. It's all about her. Use the male habits and male skills.
Posted by: Huggy at Jan 26, 2006 8:17:30 AM
Biochemical feelings of love fluctuates over time. Just remember that. Write it down if you have to. People give up on relationships because they don't realize how much of their thouhghts and rationalizations are dictated by emotions which are caused by biochemical reactions which can be triggered by just about anything. If you don't believe me, next time your wife makes you angry, don't confront her about until immediately after sex. Seriously, try your hardest to be angry about it. It can't be done.
Posted by: joshg at Jan 26, 2006 9:14:00 AM
--Here is the full article, noting that some of the specific recommendations ("gather data" on your wife) are excessively mechanical.
Hand hubby a biz card w/the instructions, "Go to
this location and see the 5 pieces of jewelry
I put aside. Pick 1 for my birthday/Christmas/
just because celebrations."
He can gather that kind of data any time.
it's so much easier that way.
Posted by: Sandy P at Jan 26, 2006 10:22:13 AM
Women are the boss, Pavel, but a good boss builds
a team.
Posted by: Sandy P at Jan 26, 2006 10:24:18 AM
Don't any of you work in a collaborative work environment? I see a distinct difference between "make this your job" and "make her your subordinate/boss"
Making it your job is about switching on the skills and awareness to pursue a defined goal. The author's argument for an alternative to traditional therapy is that men can harness these skills without first generating emotional involvement, and that traditional attempts to access them through emotional involvement create confusion and disillusion for husbands.
In essence, the argument is not that men don't feel a responsibility or desire to pursue a happy marriage, but that it's not so directly connected to their emotional state, and that trying to connect the two may lead them to lose sight of the original goal.
Posted by: Lee at Jan 26, 2006 12:33:40 PM
Don't any of you work in a collaborative work environment? I see a distinct difference between "make this your job" and "make her your subordinate/boss"
Making it your job is about switching on the skills and awareness to pursue a defined goal. The author's argument for an alternative to traditional therapy is that men can harness these skills without first generating emotional involvement, and that traditional attempts to access them through emotional involvement create confusion and disillusion for husbands.
In essence, the argument is not that men don't feel a responsibility or desire to pursue a happy marriage, but that it's not so directly connected to their emotional state, and that trying to connect the two may lead them to lose sight of the original goal.
Posted by: Lee at Jan 26, 2006 12:34:41 PM
A collaborative work environment is one way to look at it. Another:
You're self-employed when you're a husband: no subordinates or superiors to blame when something goes wrong. The buck stops with you.
Posted by: Tim at Jan 26, 2006 12:53:04 PM
It's idiotic advice. Most people don't love their jobs, but do them out of duty. They might not dislike or hate their jobs, but they don't love them. It is rare to hear this admitted, but in my experience it's true. You should love your wife, not just feel dutiful towards her.
Posted by: MQ at Jan 26, 2006 1:33:04 PM
Daniel Kahneman reports that a massive study of women in Ohio shows
that the only person that they would rather not be around than be alone
is their boss. So, even if men want to turn it into a job, they had
better go with either the cooperative deal or at least pretending that
the wife is the boss deal. BTW, women report preferring to be with
their friends more than either their spouses or their children, with
spouses beating out children. However, making love is the most
preferred activity, with commuting the least.
Posted by: Barkley Rosser at Jan 26, 2006 2:54:52 PM
"Whenever the husband feels his wife is the boss, the marriage is doomed. No way to save it."
Correct premise. Incorrect conclusion. When I figured out she was the boss and it was my job to make her happy, things went more smoothly. Going on 26 years now.
things to practice saying:
Yes, dear.
I am sorry I upset you dear, how can I make it better.
Anything you say dear, you know I only want to make you happy.
Posted by: Robert Schwartz at Jan 26, 2006 3:16:30 PM
Robert's got the code. Use it.
Except you forgot, "Of course, dear."
Posted by: Sandy P at Jan 26, 2006 6:29:58 PM
I think you're missing the point. By saying that we should see marriage as a job, it does not mean that we should see ourselves as the boss or vice versa. It sounds like the guy is simply saying that husbands should value "being good husbands" as ends in themselves. That will entail emotional feelings of love, but it will also require learning one's wife well enough to know how to satisfy her. That's more than mere Beckerian altruism.
Posted by: scott cunningham at Jan 26, 2006 8:10:27 PM
For me, treating my marriage like my job would be disastrous. I wouldn't care, and I'd always be looking to trade up. Makes for a short marriage. Better to treat a marriage as a vocation, a true calling, a passionate endeavor. If it's not in that category, then you shouldn't have taken a life long vow. God forbid I ever treat my wife like my job.
Posted by: Eli at Jan 27, 2006 9:45:58 AM
The real economic insight into marriage, and the common practice of serial monogamy, comes from increasing marginal utility of relationships. (Schoolyard explanation: getting from third base to home is more satisfying that getting from first base to second.) If you plot indifference curves (axes are "time with Sheila" and "time with someone else"), they'll be conCAVE with respect to the origin. You get a corner solution, and you marry Sheila. Small shifts in preferences will leave you at the same corner solution. At some point, though, a further shift in preferences moves you to the other corner solution. We call that divorce and remarriage.
Posted by: Bill Conerly at Jan 27, 2006 1:16:40 PM
Personally, I love the analogy. However, we should get benefits and a 401k plan...And what about worker's comp?...If we are going to treat marriage like a job; we should also reap the rewards.....The interview process should also be as formal...we need thourough backgraound checks before we say "I DO."
Posted by: Martin Casas at Jan 27, 2006 1:59:33 PM
hi i wana marry any women
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Posted by: rizwan at Jan 27, 2006 3:21:01 PM
To the Husbands, to Make Much of Time
Gather ye data while ye may,
Old Time is still a-flying:
And this same wife that smiles to-day
To-morrow will be dying.
Then be not coy, but use your time,
And while ye may, go gather:
For having lost but once your prime,
Ye may ne'er be a father.
Posted by: dearieme at Jan 27, 2006 9:02:49 PM
As to the premise of treating a marriage like a job, it really depends on your definition of a job. If it is connoted to have the pejorative meaning of being something obligatory and perfunctory; then I say no. If on the other hand it is a something that you derive value from, defines you and creates happiness in your life; then I say yes.
The fact is that the new compliment of behaviors that men (including myself) will have to demonstrate in order to make their spouses feel a valuable part of their lives, will only be self-sustaining if that behavior is reinforced. These new behavior, even as small as saying "I Love You" or perhaps taking the time to passionately kiss your wife, will be appreciated and recognized by most women who have sensed an ennui in their life; but it is only when these conscious behaviors are repeated until they become an automatic, and unconscious, part of our relationship fabric that a successful marriage occurs. The message for men is: persevere. The message for women is: encourage and reward. At the end of the day it's all Pavlovian.
Ciao,
Rocco
Posted by: Rocco J. Verducci at Jan 28, 2006 9:57:27 AM
Secrets of marriage:
Step 1: don't get married.
Step 2: Don't read nonsense from people that say things like "men and women are equipped with such different hardware from the neck up" and "due to differences in brain structure and chemistry, men are inclined to cull the savannah for food; women maintain the cave." Yeah, thanks, captain 1950's.
Thank me later.
Posted by: Chris Wage at Jan 29, 2006 12:27:41 PM
Man understand logic and women understand emotions. I always tell my wife to be consistent with me, because otherwise anything she says is not valid to me. If we structure marriage as a job that means that we will know exactly what to do and when to do it, it might be predictable, but I see no reason for it not to work. Women tend to do less and less as the time goes by, but if you stick to your original "contract" that you signed when you got "hired" then there should be no problems. And yes, men and women are different and the whole society will be better off working with it than against it.
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