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My favorite things of Argentina
1. Tango CD: Astor Piazzola's Tango: Zero Hour. If you are looking to download a single song, try Carlos Gardel's El Dia Que Me Quieras.
2. Novel: Cortazar's Hopscotch [Rayuela]. I read one chapter (almost) every day, which amounts to about three pages. I expect to finish in July, and no I don't understand it in English either. It does hold my attention, and is rapidly becoming one of my favorite novels. Looking elsewhere, Eduardo Berti is a much underrated author.
3. Short story: Tlon, Uqbar, Orbus Tertius, by Borges. Could this be the best short story period? Here is an excerpt.
4. Film: Nine Queens is the obvious choice, and yes it is implicit commentary on their economic crises. Here is a longer list. For "Film, Set In," you might try Kiss of the Spider Woman.
5. Pianist: Martha Argerich. Try her Chopin, or perhaps her Prokofiev. She is one of the sexiest women:
6. TV show: I only know one Argentinian TV show -- Epitafios -- but it is a blockbuster. Noir about a serial killer in Buenos Aires; sometimes they show it on HBO.
7. Social science: Domingo Sarmiento, Facundo: Civilization and Barbarism. The Argentinian Tocqueville, you might say, and just translated into English last year. If you relish the idea that rural areas are barbaric, you will find intellectual company in this book.
8. Painter: Guillermo Kuitca. Try this one, or here is a classic Kuitca image.
The bottom line: This is one of the best places on earth, and yes I am here now. Comments are open, if you would care to add to this.
Posted by Tyler Cowen on December 26, 2005 at 05:32 AM in The Arts | Permalink
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Judging just by the name, G. Kuitca should be of Ukrainian descent: kvitka (ukr) = flower, formerly a popular surname. A lot of Ukrainians emigrated to Argentine around the turn of XX c.
Posted by: A Tykhyy at Dec 26, 2005 7:05:10 AM
I love Cortazar. He wrote a story entitled "Instrucciones para John Howell" which you can read it online at the following link:
http://www.lamaquinadeltiempo.com/cortazar/howell.htm
I have read it many times, in Spanish and in English, and am still undecided as to whether it is totally meaningless, or one of the most profoundly meaningful stories I have ever read.
Elsewhere in Latin America they tell this joke: How does an Argentine commit suicide? He climbs up his lofty ego and throws himself off.
Posted by: John S. at Dec 26, 2005 7:11:36 AM
I agree with you that "Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius"
is one of the best short stories ever written. I
so much agree that my website is named "Orbis
Tertius Village".
Posted by: Potakin at Dec 26, 2005 7:35:58 AM
What about Food!?
Posted by: The Stalwart at Dec 26, 2005 8:44:31 AM
My very favourite classical guitarist is Victor Villadangos (see: http://www.eclectecon.com/posts/1100120640.shtml).
Posted by: EclectEcon at Dec 26, 2005 12:18:42 PM
There is much more interesting argentine cinema than nine queens. Try taking a look at "Un Oso Rojo" which is in some ways what youd get if Tarantino had been born in "conurbano" of Buenos Aires. Also "Mundo Grua" and "Pizza, Birra y Faso" are very good.
I hope you are sampling the local Malbecs, if you can find a bottle of Famiglia Biachi, it is really good (through the last couple of years vitange seems to have sold out).
Try going to retiro or constitucion and take the train (any one but the one to Tigre) for a while, get off when things start looking interesting. The neighbourhoods around Buenos Aires proper are intensely interesting.
Take the subway to Peru station and walk yourself to Baracas. a lot less turisty than most of La Boca, and very real indeed. Plus now that it is summer you can watch the people drinking mate out on the street in the afternoon to avoid the inside heat. (not done as much as it used to be the case but still a fair bit in some neighbourhoods).
Also, in so far as you enjoy architecture a day long walk down recoleta is a must. I am form Buenos Aires and arived here a couple of days ago, a friend who also lives abroad invited me to a party (he had arived a few days before me). the party was boring so we left at 3 am (an early time here) and walked from about Congreso de Tucuman station ont he D line to Retiro, if you do it through Palermo and Recoleta is a trully wonderful walk. Sunrise over Buenos Aires is absolutly mind blowing.
Posted by: econgeek at Dec 26, 2005 6:37:13 PM
I don't normally respond here. But, I'd like to add that Argentina (or any new place) may appear to be "the best," but it's not. A bit harsh? Maybe and I'm sorry to offend any passionate Argentine readers here. Argentina is certainly a very interesting (add-other-adjectives-here) country, but so is every other country in South America.
I don't know how long you'll be there, but I'd encourage you to investigate certain dichotomies (time permitting), dichotomies about which your hosts will likely have strong opinions (which will be telling): Buenos Aires vs. the Interior; Boca vs. River; La Nacion vs. Pagina 12; Sarmiento vs. Rosas; Reds vs. Blues; ISI vs. agriculture; Independiente vs. Racing; Menem vs. nobody when the economy was artifically good and vs. just about everyone when it all went bad. That's just off the top of my head.
As someone mentioned, (my view) hit the streets of Buenos Aires and avoid the tourist areas. Stop at a cafe or a bar, engage your likely well-educated taxi driver, take the bus--for God's sake, TAKE THE BUS!!!!--and enjoy. I've always found that initiating a conversation about soccer will open up a host of new topics. Pick a team and make it a team other than Boca or River, be original...take Racing Club (okay, I'm coaxing you).
Kent
Posted by: Kent at Dec 26, 2005 8:34:34 PM
Most common comments received about Argentina/Argentinos from Chileans:
1. (Even) The taxi drivers are well educated. This is REALLY cliche by now - as in, nearly everyone I ask about Argentina includes this phrase in his/her response!
2. The people are friendly.
3. The men act gay.
4. The steak is good.
5. They used to be glorious (economy, culture) but have now fallen from their pedestal (or at least Chile has risen to their level, in the economic aspect). However, massive egos are still a vestige.
6. The girls are pretty.
7. They stay out really late (even by Chilean standards).
8. Their Spanish ("vos" instead of "tu" and an accentuation of the last vowel instead of second-to-last in said form) is weird.
As a caveat, I have never been to Argentina, but know a few Argentinos (I hate the word "Argentinian"!). However, I hope to at least make it to B.A. in the next 6 months...so please post your thoughts/recommendations!
Posted by: Sean at Dec 26, 2005 9:16:29 PM
I have two lasting impressions:
1. From Buenos Aires: sexy women. Everywhere. Hugely distracting place to do business
2. From the countryside: Beautiful small towns layed out around the central square that seemed more European than Europe.
Posted by: coyote at Dec 27, 2005 11:01:13 AM
I would also highlight Witold Gombrowicz, the outstanding Polish author who resided in the Argentine a long time and wrote many of his works there. See e.g. http://www.culture.pl/en/culture/artykuly/os_gombrowicz_witold
Posted by: Niclas Berggren at Dec 28, 2005 3:43:57 AM
Another Argentinian of Ukrainian origins is the chamame accordionist Chango Spasiuk. Well worth investigating if you like your music a little rougher round the edges than tango.
Posted by: Bishop Hill at Dec 28, 2005 8:26:45 AM
Re: Tlön
http://nnyhav.blogspot.com/2005/08/trinitys-cardinal-points.html
Posted by: nnyhav at Dec 28, 2005 10:00:48 AM
No wine? Paul Hobbs imports some tasty wines -- cabs and malbecs -- from Argentina.
http://www.paulhobbs.com/ has info about some of his high-end stuff, but I also like a cab called El Crocodrilo, in the store for about $12.
Posted by: Tyrone Slothrop at Dec 28, 2005 2:41:13 PM
You may be interested in the border-spanning group "Los Gauchos Alemanes" -- an Argentinian guitar ensemble that formed in Germany while studying with British guitarist Robert Fripp:
http://www.disciplineglobalmobile.com/cat/9702cat.shtml
My favorite Argentinian film has always been The Man Facing Southeast.
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Posted by: levan at Sep 5, 2006 8:03:12 AM
Hello, I'm not sure I understand this page. I'm rather low-tech and don't visit these kind of sites much. It seems like random thoughts all splattered about. Maybe that's normal. I wouldn't know. I will be in Argentina in 4 days from San Francisco. I liked what you said about staying away from tourist locations. Exploring. I will be heading west, south...north? Patagonia, Cuzco...I hope. I hope to stop by Cordoba and Alta Gracia to pay respects to Che. I don't know. I want to get lost. I heard Buenos Aires is very expensive. Someone told me expect to pay $300 a day there. I think they must be crazy. Anyway...can you recommend a place that's safe and quiet and not too expensive? I would love to set up something before I leave. Any ideas? P.S. I just watched "Nueve Reinas"! That was one funny, very clever film!
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