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Martin Feldstein on capital taxation
Follow these numbers, and the bold face is mine:
An example will illustrate the harmful effect of high taxes on the income from savings and show how the tax reform could make taxpayers unambiguously better off. Think about someone -- call him Joe -- who earns an additional $1,000. If Joe's marginal tax rate is 35%, he gets to keep $650. Joe saves $100 of this for his retirement and spends the rest. If Joe invests these savings in corporate bonds, he receives a return of 6% before tax and 3.9% after tax. With inflation of 2%, the 3.9% after-tax return is reduced to a real after-tax return of only 1.9%. If Joe is now 40 years old, this 1.9% real rate of return implies that the $100 of savings will be worth $193 in today's prices when Joe is 75. So Joe's reward for the extra work is $550 of extra consumption now and $193 of extra consumption at age 75.
But if the tax rate on the income from saving is reduced to 15% as the tax panel recommends, the 6% interest rate would yield 5.1% after tax and 3.1% after both tax and inflation. And with a 3.1% real return, Joe's $100 of extra saving would grow to $291 in today's prices instead of just $193.
There are two lessons in this example, each of which identifies a tax distortion that wastes potential output and therefore unnecessarily lowers levels of real well-being. The first is that a tax on interest income is effectively also a tax on the reward for extra work, cutting the additional consumption at age 75 from $291 to just $193. Because the high tax rate on interest income reduces the reward for work (as well as the reward for saving), Joe makes choices that lower his pretax earnings -- fewer hours of work, less work effort, less investment in skills, etc.
The second lesson that follows from the example is that the tax on interest income substantially distorts the level of future consumption even if Joe does not make any change in the amount that he saves. With the same $100 of additional saving, the higher tax rate reduces his additional retirement consumption from $291 to $193, a one-third reduction. If Joe responds to the lower real rate of return that results from the higher tax rate on interest by saving less, the distortion of consumption is even greater. For example, if Joe would save $150 out of the extra $1,000 of earnings when his real net return is 3.1% (instead of saving $100 when the real net return is 1.9%), his extra consumption at age 75 would be $436, more than twice as much as with the 35% tax rate. But the key point is that Joe's future consumption would be substantially reduced by the higher tax rate even if he does not change his savings.
Taken together, these two lessons imply that a lower tax rate on interest income, combined with a small increase in the tax on other earnings, could make Joe unambiguously better off while also increasing government revenue. More specifically, if reducing the tax on interest income from 35% to 15% had no effect on Joe's earnings or on his initial consumption spending, the government could collect the same present value of tax revenue from Joe by raising the tax on his $1,000 of extra earnings from $350 to $385. Although this would cut Joe's saving from $100 to $65 (if he keeps his initial consumption spending unchanged), the higher net return on that saving would give Joe the same consumption at age 75. In this way, Joe would be neither better off nor worse off.
But experience shows that Joe would alter his behavior in response to the lower tax rate. He would earn more at age 40 and would save more for retirement. This change of behavior makes Joe better off (or he wouldn't do it) and the extra earnings and interest income would raise government revenue above what it would be with a 35% tax rate. So Joe would be unambiguously better off with the lower tax rate on interest income and the government would collect more tax revenue.
Here is the link. Elsewhere from The Wall Street Journal, here is a piece on bargaining theory, thanks to Chris Masse for the pointer.
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Comments
this looks like fast and loose with discount rates to me; Feldstein is happy to move between "consumption today" and "consumption in thirty years time" at par in an economy with a hypothesised 2% discount rate.
Posted by: dsquared at Dec 9, 2005 7:56:32 AM
I don't think the 1.9% is a discount rate, just the effective after-tax return. Use any disccount rate you like(consistent with the 6% corporate bond rate) and the qualititative result is the same. Of course, higher discount rates make Joe less sensitive to differences in payoffs in the future.
Posted by: Rich Berger at Dec 9, 2005 8:35:07 AM
Either I'm not following this, or Feldstein is playing fast and loose with his assumptions here.
Sure, a tax on interest pushes savings, and thus future consumption, down. But how does increased labor not do the same thing?
When Feldstein writes "the government could collect the same present value of tax revenue from Joe by raising the tax on his $1,000 of extra earnings from $350 to $385," he seems to be assuming that this increase in the labor tax will have no effect on Joe's output, but oh that increase in the interest tax will.
I'm very skeptical that armchair economics can tell us whether the effect of a change in the tax on interest will be greater or less than the same change in the tax on labor.
Anyway, isn't a great deal of savings in the U.S. in the form of 401Ks, IRAs, home equity, and other tax advantaged vehicles? 401Ks and IRAs are taxed at withdrawal time at the labor rate, so they're unaffected by your analysis.
Or if Joe is so averse to paying tax on interest, he should put his $100 in a Roth IRA, on which he'll never pay interest. Or make an extra principal payment on his 30-year mortgage, because he can't be taxed on the effective interest he earns on that.
Also, Prof. Cowen, if you want to convince us liberals of something (and I'm willing to be convinced on this), citing anything from the WSJ opinion section is unlikely to be effective.
Posted by: The Other Brock at Dec 9, 2005 9:13:24 AM
I guess this means that principled Martin Feldstein was all for Bill Clinton's tax increases to cut the deficit, since they were principally on (expensive) labor (excepting interest income). That is obviously the efficient way to raise revenue. Wait, that wasn't his reaction at all ...
Maybe his opinions are for sale after all.
Tyler, Feldstein didn't show us anything in this example except that taxing labor hurts the principal and taxing capital hurts the return. To persuade liberals to accept the principle of "optimal taxation" he needs to show that capital is more flighty than labor, and so much more so that the inevitable tax shelters that turn high-end labor income into capital income don't unbalance the scales. This requires good faith argument, and Feldstein's boss is more likely to engage in that than he.
Posted by: Matt at Dec 9, 2005 9:51:03 AM
There is a whole lot of chcanery in this one. First, Feldstein gets these numbers by assuming that the capital gain (CG) tax is paid by Joe EVERY YEAR instead of when he actuall realizes the gain. That means that Joe sells his portfolio every year, realizes the gain, pays the tax, and then reinvests what is left over. I just ran the numbers on a spreadsheet and that is the only way you get his numbers. If Joe is taxed only when he realizes the gain (when he sells the portfolio) then his return is a much larger $249. Further, if this money is put in an IRA, then his CURRENT tax is lowered and his CURRENT consumption can actually go up. Feldsein ignores the current tax advantages received by capital income completely.
Second, he ignore Joe SR who, when Joe is 40 and saving 100, is receiving his $193 and paid about $8 in taxes from his last years tax on his capital income (the bulk of his taxes were paid in previous years under Feldstein's assumptions). Thus, the govt is collecting $358. If we lowered the tax rate we will need to collect an extra $5 from Joe's income tax to pay for this. If Joe takes even part of this $5 out of savings then his future consumption comes down.
Feldstein is smart enough to know all this. I suspect he wrote this crap to get the WSJ people to salivate. But it does nothing to help the debate over taxation.
Posted by: Don B at Dec 9, 2005 10:35:33 AM
I agree there is something fishy going on here. How does this square with Ricardian equivalence?
Posted by: ed at Dec 9, 2005 11:31:36 AM
I agree with dsquared that something is going on with the discount rates here. The critical statement is: "the government could collect the same present value of tax revenue from Joe by raising the tax on his $1,000 of extra earnings from $350 to $385."
I calculated the *nominal* stream of tax payments from age 40 to age 75 under his asumptions (tax payments range from $2.10 to $8.01); it takes a discount rate in excess of 9.5% to reduce the value of that stream of payments to $35.
Or am I missing something? I made annual tax payments and reinvested interest payments at the same 6% rate. But even if the 6% return were entirely tax deferred to age 75 (which doesn't make much sense), the lump-sum tax would be $234, requiring a 5.6% discount rate to make his math work. I suspect he's forgotten to tax the nominal increase in asset value, but that's just a guess.
Posted by: Victor at Dec 9, 2005 11:43:02 AM
Just thought I would correct my own error before someone else does ... I was requiring that the $35 of initial increase in revenue compensate for all lost interest payments; I neglected the fact that Joe is still saving $65 that will generate interest income taxed at a reduced rate. Apologies.
Posted by: Victor at Dec 9, 2005 11:52:34 AM
I've read the comments so far, but I still side with Marty! As set up, both taxes distort labor supply to the same expected value degree. The capital tax also distorts the savings decision.
Posted by: Tyler Cowen at Dec 9, 2005 12:31:05 PM
Couple thoughts:
1) Taxes are a flow across the whole population, not an investment pool. Reducing the tax I pay when I'm 65 and raising the tax I pay now doesn't necessarily mean that government revenues stay the same today. If there are more 65-year-olds than 26-year-olds (I'm 26), then stable government revenues require that the increase in taxes I pay today be higher than the cut in taxes awarded to 65-year-olds. (Remember you keep making investment income between when you retire and when your savings run out or you die)
2) Relatedly, reducing tax on investment and raising it on work shifts tax burden from high-net-worth individuals to high-earning individuals. If those two groups have different sizes or shapes, then total governement revenues might change, even if any one person from the high-earner group pays the same total lifetime tax.
3) (a) Because the high tax rate on interest income reduces the reward for work (as well as the reward for saving), Joe makes choices that lower his pretax earnings -- fewer hours of work, less work effort, less investment in skills, etc.
That argument always bothered me. The decision is not between working for $200 after-tax and working for $250 after-tax. It's between working for $200 after-tax and not working and getting $0. For me, anyways, the distribution of my preferences is highly skewed - the difference between $0 and $200 is much, much greater than the difference between $200 and $400.
(b) I want to have at least $2M in personal assets when I retire (remember I'm 26, so inflation makes that number much smaller than it appears). If you raise my taxes, I actually have to work harder to get that number. If everyday people think in absolute outcomes rather than marginal returns, and there is some evidence that they do, higher taxes might increase the amount of work! There is about as much empirical evidence for this claim as there is for the one made above.
4) There are moral issues with taxing work income higher than investment income. Specifically, most of the work income earned in America (or anywhere else) is earned by normal people who really do work hard for their money and really do deserve it.
By comparison, a very small % of the investment income in America is earned by guys like Joe who stash away $150 for retirement every now and then. Most investment income is earned by CEOs with $10M a year stock option plans, Goldman Sachs Directors with $25M stashed in privately placed high-yield mezzanine funds and trust-fund kids who live in $1M lofts in SoHo and try to be artists while living off their monthly checks from US Trust. I don't mean to be dissmissive of any of those groups, I know and like people in all of them. But the truth is I think that taking 10% off their quality of life is far less morally troubling than taking 10% off the quality of life of working waitresses.
Posted by: Andrew Edwards at Dec 9, 2005 12:34:02 PM
The article also states that experience shows that reducing the tax on savings would caused Joe to shift more into savings. But we have been offering vechicles to lower taxes on savings for 20-25 years and over that period the savings rate has declined. So while theory suggest that this statement is correct, experience has shown it has not worked that way in the US over the last 20-25 years.
Posted by: spencer at Dec 9, 2005 1:10:05 PM
Good comments so far, but I think you (and Tyler) are missing a far more important distortion of reality:
This example implicitly assumes that the marginal rate of savings is 10% of pre-tax income or a bit more than 15% of post tax income!
We know that the actual private and government savings rates are negative (although this may not be true for the marginal rate). It is also safe to assume that the majority of all savings done by private citizens is accumulated at the top of the income distribution (obviously, they have more to save).
The REAL average Joe (not the skewed view that Feldstein presents) probably is fully employed and makes within one standard deviation of the median income. Since his savings rate is already negative, it is quite possible that his marginal savings rate is closer to 2% (or negative!) than it is to 15%!
Change Marty's example to mimic the actual consumption patterns of most Americans and you quickly see that raising labor taxes to offset capital taxes does not help "Joe." It does help increase the savings rate, but it makes the income distribution even steeper -- exactly what liberals have been saying for years!
If we want to lower all taxes, then that can at least be debated on efficiency grounds, but raising income taxation in order to lower capital taxation is an unambiguous loser on efficiency AND equity.
Posted by: Dan at Dec 9, 2005 2:25:40 PM
I posted my comment as Spencer was making the same point. If the marginal rate of saving was 15%, many more people would take advantage of the favorable tools for investment that already exist. The fact that they don't indicates that they are not acting rationally or that when you give the average American $1000 of extra income, they probably will spend $1000!
Posted by: Dan at Dec 9, 2005 2:30:34 PM
To my mind the worst thing about high taxes on capital gains and interest income is that it distorts investment decisions. Money stays with marginally less productive firms to avoid the tax penalty of selling and switching.
To imagine just how useful this is, consider how useful it is to be able to re-invest the money from the sale of your home in a new home without a tax hit. If you couldn't do that, you'd have to take a 10-20% hit on the kind of home you could buy every time you moved - every move would be a downward one, or require a lot of new capital. People wouldn't move as often. The economy wouldn't be able to get the best workers to leave the regions they live in, and efficiency growth would be hurt.
To my mind the best reason for having taxes as low as possible is to encourage growth-driven investment, and not tax-driven investment. That's what grows an economy.
I suppose the best way to be 'non-discriminatory' then would be to tax net worth, but if everyone sold 0.5% of their net worth every year on or around Apr 15, it might set off some weird downward spiral. I don't know. So maybe that wouldn't be so good.
This stuff gets complicated.
Posted by: Brock at Dec 9, 2005 2:40:30 PM
Joe gets the same amount of aftertax money at virtually all interest rates because he won't lend the money unless the after tax return is worth it. So a tax on interest or capital gains as interest equivalent are taxes on the borrower, not the lender.
You will note that the Republicans do understand that social security taxes are taxes on labor from the point of view of the corporation's decisions on whether to automate or immigrate. Selective understanding is common.
Posted by: wkwillis at Dec 9, 2005 4:34:23 PM
In line with wkwillis' comment, I wonder why the assumption that the pre-tax return on Joe's savings will remain constant at 6% in the face of a tax reduction. Isn't it clear that it would drop? After all, municipals pay lower rates than comparable taxable bonds.
It's also not clear why an increase in the tax on labor coupled with a reduction in that on interest woudl cause Joe to earn more.
Besides, as many have pointed out, the Joe's of the world do their saving in 401(k)'s and the like. The beneficiaries of the proposed tax cut are not middle-class workers, as the WSJ pretends, but the extremely wealthy. If you want to encourage savings by the middle class lower the tax on withdrawals from IRA's and such, up to some limit.
Posted by: Bernard Yomtov at Dec 9, 2005 6:44:03 PM
Looks to me like some Liberals reject any data or experiment that conflicts with their beliefs.
Posted by: George at Dec 9, 2005 7:30:37 PM
"Looks to me like some Liberals reject any data or experiment that conflicts with their beliefs."
What data are you referring to, exactly?
Posted by: Bernard Yomtov at Dec 9, 2005 10:11:05 PM
Nice, Bernard
Posted by: Andrew Edwards at Dec 10, 2005 9:00:57 AM
Since Alex Tabarrok did not allow for any comments on his
simplified version of the Feldstein argument, I guess they
need to be made here. The bottom line would seem to be that
capital should not be taxed because the labor theory of value
is true. Am I misreading the crux of it?
Of course, if we take an Austrian definition of capital as
being essentially time, then capital is involved in producing
everything. One can then easily argue that labor should not
be taxed because it will distort the allociation of capital...
Posted by: Barkley Rosser at Dec 10, 2005 10:15:35 AM
The oranges and apples argument falls apart as soon as you put it into the real world, where different people have different levels of "labor", and different requirements for "oranges" and "apples". (E.g. retirees live entirely off oranges, and the working poor spend nearly everything on apples)
And where you can buy one bag a year of "oranges" tax free using a 401Orange plan. So only those with higher "labor" benefit from reducing the tax rate on the second and third bags.
And where, pretty much whatever the cost, most people want to have at least 35 oranges when they retire, so that they can continue to get their Vitamin C intake through retirement.
Posted by: Andrew Edwards at Dec 10, 2005 3:03:45 PM
These new models are stupid and contrived. They do not address the point raised in the comments section first by Boonton but then beaten like a dead horse by myself.
An intro-to-micro capital/labor/present/future-consumption model reaches equilibrium where the marginal return to labor = the marginal return to capital.
At that point it is impossible to increase output by simply taking resources from capital and putting them into labor.
Taxing labor and not capital pushes the economy away from mpl=mpk and lowers output. Today, if capital is taxed at about 15% and labor at about 40%, the marginal product of labor is 40% higher than the marginal product of capital and there is a constant deadweight loss from this situation. Moving as Tyler suggests to 0% capital taxation and 47.5% labor taxation would make the marginal product of labor twice the marginal product of capital. That is a huge loss depending on how steep the mpk curve is.
Consumers can buy future consumption in line with their preferences at a rate that declines over the total amount purchased. The price is the interest rate.
Of course we can come up with numbers that show in some cases, with some assumptions, the economy will be better off if the automobile industry is not taxed or if textile trade with china is banned but come on.
Capital owners as a special interest group do not have a more valid argument than any other interest group that their income should be favored at the expense of uncompensated loss to the rest of the economy.
Capital owners with their college degrees, their free time to write editorials in the Wall Street Journal, their increased access to lobbyists and government bureaucrats and a more formidable interest group than most, but in terms of economics, this is a familiar old story.
Posted by: Deb McAdams at Dec 10, 2005 6:13:44 PM
To see this issue beaten to death, see the following comments section.
http://www.marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2005/12/what_is_the_evi.html
Posted by: Deb McAdams at Dec 10, 2005 6:17:05 PM
Deb is confusing "capital" and "capital goods."
Tyler Cowen
Posted by: Tyler Cowen at Dec 11, 2005 10:21:38 AM
Huh?
That's a weird response.
You're calling for ending capital taxation. If there is an important difference between "capital" taxation and "capital goods" taxation that makes my argument invalid I'd like to hear it.
The point is that there is no argument that you as a volunteer lobbyist for capital income receivers are making that an automobile industry lobbyist could not make.
Posted by: Deb McAdams at Dec 11, 2005 10:52:41 AM






