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Will increasing productivity render the welfare state obsolete?
Under one argument, economic progress will make welfare states harder to maintain. Resource mobility (one result of greater productivity) will force states to lower tax rates to avoid the loss of capital and labor.
I no longer hold this view. Instead I expect rising wealth to lead -- for better or worse -- to a massive expansion in welfare benefits. In other words, income effects could outweigh substitution effects.
Matt Yglesias notes that Iceland has high levels of government spending yet is prosperous. Note that the country has less than 300,000 people and 70 percent of their export earnings comes from fishing. This is sustainable as long as the cod stick around. Norway relies on the North Sea for oil and gas. Botswana, the African success story, uses diamond wealth to maintain extensive public spending.
Some of the smaller Gulf economies have extraordinarily high productivity for their modest labor inputs, because of accessible oil or gas. Qatar and Dubai have erected elaborate welfare states; most citizens don't work at all, unless you count extended trips to the shopping mall. Guestworkers handle most of the menial labor or even the white-collar jobs. The point is not that every welfare state has external largesse, but rather that free lunches tend to produce welfare states.
Imagine that nanotechnology, or some other version of The Next Big Thing, came to pass. The bounty of nature would be replaced by the bounty of science. Might our economy look a bit more like the welfare policies of the Gulf states, albeit with greater diversification? Won't we massively expand our welfare state? Since the whole point is not to work, no one will complain much about the high (implicit or explicit) marginal tax rates. The rush will be to get in, not to leave town.
Posted by Tyler Cowen on August 25, 2005 at 07:10 AM in Economics | Permalink
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For a cyberpunk look at this topic, check out "The Diamond Age" by Neal Stephenson. In it, he posits Nanotech leading to 'the Feed', a manufacturing process that is so cheap that nearly all basic necessities are provided free of charge to every home (the most basic of which, of course, is also provided free of charge).
Posted by: JPB at Aug 25, 2005 10:34:00 AM
I think Qatar, Dubai, and Iceland are succeeding because their competitive advantage (cod, oil, and oil) is fairly unique and can't be outsourced. The American economy not only lacks a single killer commodity, but it is based on the service industry and individual innovation. If the US becomes a wellfare state, then Japan or India will inovate and all the jobs will go from here to there. Even with the next big thing. I didn't see a welfare state emerge from the internet boom so I don't see it happening for nanotech.
However, if the entire world was one big country with a geographically homogenized income distribution and one big beaurocratic central government.. that might reduce competition to a level where we might run into a welfare state that we can't get out of and people will be stuck at one boring level of productivity forever.
Which may explain why aliens haven't visited us. No species can get off planet because the United Nations takes over the planet, a welfare state is created, innovation stops, and productivity levels plateau.
Posted by: eric at Aug 25, 2005 11:25:39 AM
It is indeed possible that the absolute amount of goods and services provided free of charge will increase but I doubt that this will represent an "expansion" of the welfare state - such largesse will hopefully stay constant as a percentage of GNP, and may even decrease. Given enough wealth, I would expect that the total tax burden on the productive members of the society imposed to support the rest could be reduced without triggering a violent backlash, and indeed a reduction of such burden may be crucial to the continued existence of the welfare state (as exemplified by the changes in Sweden in the late 90's)
Posted by: Rafal Smigrodzki at Aug 25, 2005 11:26:24 AM
It may be relevant that the resources sustaining the welfare states of the countries you mentioned are are controlled by their respective governments. But if 5% of a country's population were doing all the work, and they were doing it with resources not controlled by the government, they could always threaten to take their capital and know-how abroad, preventing the sort of exploitative taxation needed to support the scenario you envision.
What I imagine will happen when this sort of technology comes to fruition is that a small percentage of the population will do the manufacturing, while the rest will do light service jobs with very short workweeks.
Posted by: Brandon Berg at Aug 25, 2005 12:03:43 PM
I was saying very nearly the same thing to my wife last week. I'm rather
aggressively libertarian, but am rather convinced that productivity
improvement into the double-digit annual rates will trigger a rather
expansive welfare system. Banks' Culture novels, Stross's Accelerando,
Stephenson's Diamond Age all provide the same picture along with your
observations about Dubai, etc.
If it's relatively easy to be generous, people want to be generous.
And government, with all it's warts, is the vehicle normally chosen to
do that. So I concur with you strongly. Future will see big welfare
states...but since it won't notably drain the economy, no worries.
Posted by: Kyle at Aug 25, 2005 1:25:47 PM
I'm afraid this analysis is very much in line with that of Bacon (New Atlantis) and Descartes (Discourse on Method), who both thought technological progress of the sort Tyler describes (not just sitting on a pool of oil) would result in a society that lived in leisure off the fruits of scientific progress, and was controlled in one way or another by the technologists. They of course thought this was a good thing. Some, like Neitzsche, thought it was not so good. Makes me slightly queasy to contemplate.
Posted by: Kent Guida at Aug 25, 2005 2:08:44 PM
Here's where I think the rub is:
Since the whole point is not to work, no one will complain much about the high (implicit or explicit) marginal tax rates. The rush will be to get in, not to leave town.
They'll complain. It makes no difference. For most people wealth isn't an absolute, it's how far ahead you are of the other guy.
As a follow-up question, why aren't we already at the point you suggest?
Posted by: Dave Schuler at Aug 25, 2005 3:05:34 PM
I agree with Tyler completely. Historically, increased wealth has correlated with increased spending on social welfare, and we should expect the trend to continue.
Capital can threaten to move to low-tax societies, but the problem is that capital brings high-tax societies with it. Look at how the richest, most-educated cities in the US are those that have the highest government spending. Even in democracies, welfare is enabled by the rich, not the poor.
Posted by: Paul N at Aug 25, 2005 3:49:43 PM
This is one of the more interesting posts I've read on a blog in a long time.
I think that Dave more or less nailed it. The 'haves', so to speak, don't have some notion of a nominal amount of wealth beyond which point they're willing to pay for services that they don't directly benefit from. I don't think that any love of country, patriotism, care for your fellow man, etc, outweighs personal monetary gain in the short term. Not for the vast majority of folks, anyhow. This isn't a moral judgement per se, just my opinion on how things are. To most people, buying that 16th SUV is more important than a gov't handout program to feed children of single mothers. Why would the rich allow the government to pay for anything that's not necessary? Yes, there was a big buildup of a welfare state during the Great Society, etc, but things are moving in the opposite direction now. Ironic, since productivity growth has been very good as of late.
I can think back on texts that are 50 yrs old, talking about how all the labor saving devices that were going to be made would lead to a lifestyle of leisure for all. It certainly hasn't happened here in the U.S. We do have $30 DVD players today and that's very nice. I'm materially better off being able to buy a $30 DVD player than my father was paying $500 for a mediocre VCR 15 or 20 yrs ago. However, it would be interesting to compare the median wage of, say, 1970 vs today in terms of the hrs of work it required to buy housing, transportation, food, health care, and education. (Food is cheaper but I bet everything else has gone up in price)
The last few years-despite great productivity gains-wages have not kept up with inflation(has Greenspan referred to this as a conundrum?), and I don't think that the government is providing any greater quantity or quality of services, either. Basically, I think things are moving in the opposite direction of what Dr. Cowen is talking about.
There are agricultural societies in different parts of the world(wish I had some references handd) where the people live as they did in ancient times with no contact with the outside world. The people have to work no more than 15-20 hrs per week to survive. You couldn't pay me enough to live in such a society, but I bet that people who are born into such a civilization live lives that are as happy and fulfilling as we enjoy now.
Increased productivity may make more generous welfare states *possible*. But I don't think that, in and of itself, it will ever be a cause. The Industrial Revolution produced huge gains in productivity, but those in power didn't wake up one day and say "hey, we can make all this extra stuff, let's give folks a 40 hr work week". It took strikes, violence, and killing.
To anyone who agrees with Dr. Cowen, what % increase in productivity do we need to see before we get universal health care? Free university education? Hell, how much productivity gains need be realized before we get a working transportation infrastructure here in the nations capital?
Posted by: Adam at Aug 25, 2005 5:29:10 PM
In the short run the future will be more like Iceland (because people want to be nice), but in the long run more like Indonesia (because people can live between the railroad tracks).
Making a few assumptions, but IMHO: In the short run (1000 years??) increasing wealth will lead to an expansion of welfare states at least in the wealthy part of the world. After all, who wants to be a meanie? In the long run, though, welfare states will not be sustainable. Eventually, every ecological niche will be occupied. If people can live between the railroad tracks (and they can*) they will. Nobody wants to be a meanie but you can't always be nice.
*At least long enough to be photographed. See the documentary "War Photographer". The point is that people don't need much to survive.
Posted by: Eric Galloway at Aug 25, 2005 6:58:49 PM
The question will be what items will be scarce in a world of nanotech or other super-productive technology? If anyone can easily access food, clothing, shelter, medicine, and entertainment, presumably much better than what we have now, without subsidy, will there still be a) sympathy for these folks for not possessing scarce positional goods or b) fear of falling into destitution? My guess is that the answer to both of these questions is "no," and so there will not be an expansion of transfers under conditions of super-productivity.
Posted by: steve at Aug 25, 2005 7:56:27 PM
One of the big issues becomes who is "productive." For
example one third of health expences go to administration,
twice the average of industrial nations. The top of our w
white collar pyrimids are obviously wasteful, note how
they are unable to sell actual products. Real estate agents
impose a 6% tax where in a competitive, technological system
it property could be sold for a fraction of that. As a general
rule various structural monopolies mantain mist lucrative jobs.
Those who actually work and produce have frequently seen
real cuts in wages. Lower wage workers get 60% of what
they did in an economy where per capita wealth is 50% higher.
Engineers have traditionally been unemployed by economic
cycles, now they and other productive people face direct
competition.
The assumption that those who put in 60 hour weeks and
take home lots of money are "productive" is a fallacy.
It's like saying Republicans don't like government
spending when Republican stats on average recieve a
surplus in tax dollars and Republican presidents
invariably increase the percentage of GNP that goes
into the federal budget.
A truly productive econonomy would require lots of
welfare at least temporarily because it would involve
the removal of currently protected people, the people
who complain because the working mother who does
something useful while making much less than she
would have made 25 years ago takes food stamps while
they do all sorts of Dilbertian nonsense.
Posted by: skeptic at Aug 25, 2005 9:12:36 PM
The 'haves', so to speak, don't have some notion of a nominal amount of wealth beyond which point they're willing to pay for services that they don't directly benefit from.
They don't have to have a notion or a threshold, just the money becomes less valuable as they have more of it. When my net worth was $5000, I gave $0; when it was $50000, I gave $8000.
Housing has also come down since 1970, per square foot. I betcha.
Posted by: Noumenon at Aug 25, 2005 10:36:23 PM
This blog needs to allow HTML formatting! At least < i > and < b >.
Posted by: Noumenon at Aug 25, 2005 10:52:32 PM
I believe that increased productivity will lead to some modest expansion of the welfare state, but not necessarily for the reasons mentioned above. As producers add more and more capital equipment, the labor required to keep production going will require more and more skills - better education, and smarter workers. There already are now, and will be more as this trend increases, people who are insufficiently intelligent or educated to earn what society considers a minimally bearable living. Rather than see those people starve, society will, generally through government, provide some supplement so that people who can't earn a decent living will be provided one, anyway.
The generosity of the welfare state will vary, and will remain a political issue; ways of preventing people who are capable of working for a decent living from collecting welfare will keep changing, as will the numbers of people who could work but don't.
I suspect there's some natural limit to the process - supporting a welfare state for too much of the population will inhibit the ability of producers to increase their stock of capital, which will limit the rate of increase in intelligence/education required to do better by working than on welfare.
Posted by: Anthony at Aug 25, 2005 11:20:41 PM
That money becomes worth less as one acquires more of it is not something that I would dispute. However, notable exceptions aside(Warren Buffet, Bill Gates' father?), I don't see a groundswell of support among the uber rich for high marginal tax rates to support social welfare programs. Even if most of the very rich are completely indifferent to tax policies, folks like Grover Norquist(google him if you don't know who he is) wield such an insanely disproportionate amount of influence that the preferences of the majority of the people with the money don't matter. A very small group is able to wield a whole lot of power over fiscal policy. The rich tend to vote Republican and give money to the Republican party and the Norquist crowd just happens to wield incredible influence with the Republicans in power. The party which currently controls all three branches of the federal gov't has a goal of cutting taxes in order to cut social programs.
This doesn't address what is desirable, what should be, what the most efficient allocation of resources is, etc. It's just the facts. While productivity growth would make *possible* a huge welfare state the current trend is in the opposite direction.
Re:Housing.. I imagine that the cost of housing is hugely regionally variable. If indeed housing has come down in price on a square foot basis, that is likely due to the increasing size of houses which have increased greatly in square footage. I'd be more interested in looking at the cost of, say, renting a 2 bdrm apt in a metropolitan area and what the cost of doing so is in real dollars, and also how its tracked vs median income. All else equal, buyers today will sacrifice lot size for square footage. That's understandable and it's a tradeoff that I've made myself.
Yeah, the formatting could be better on these comments. It doesn't seem like the right wing/libertarian blogs really cater to user input. I mostly hang out on Dailykos and Brad DeLong's blogs.
Posted by: Adam at Aug 25, 2005 11:24:29 PM
When I first read Tyler's comment I thought I would like to have some of that good Sh*t he was smoking. Then I thought of that Billionairs son who thought he would rather do something else with his money than making daly shopping trips to the mall. He got together with a bunch of like minded folks who thought that driving airplanes into tall buildings would be a fun idea.
MMMM? Wonder what that society where the basics were free would look like?
Posted by: dilbert dogbert at Aug 26, 2005 12:33:26 AM
I'm not as worried about redistribution as I am about regulation. While it is true that it is easier to have a welfare state in a rich country, the results show that the money often goes not only to the poor. Look at Social Security, Medicare, mortgage tax credits, highway spending, etc.
The good thing about pure redistribution is that it only decreases the wealth of a nation by the deadweight loss of taxes. What is taken is given back, mostly. On the other hand, regulation reduces commerce while not providing any matching benefit. It reduces the wealth of a nation, period.
Recent papers have looked at labor taxation versus labor regulation in Europe, and found the lowered rate of economic growth and high unemployment is mostly a factor of regulation rather than taxation (although taxation does play a minor role).
My key example of this is Niger, where people are starving, but the legal minimum wage is more than the GDP per capita - imagine if the minimum wage in the US was $40,000 a year!
The problem is that welfare systems, such as Medicare, are not simply redistributive, but impart significant economic-distorting regulations at the same time.
Posted by: Mr. Econotarian at Aug 26, 2005 11:49:26 AM
Regulation is worse than taxation -- so I support more gas taxes rather than Kyoto regulation (and Bush could offer some 10% of Fed. Budget Revenue as a goal for gas taxes to all countries, including China & Iraq).
Welfare grants should be replaced by gov't "loans" -- either as real loans or in some tax-subsidized (Tax loans) way. Those who "need help" should get gov't help, but be expected to pay it back (with interest?).
The entitlement trap has become a rush to get free money.
Even if there is plenty of material wealth, there will always be a zero-sum competition in Status. Who gets fame/ influence (based on eyeball counting). Oh yeah, and BABES.
Bloggers should be well aware of this metric. As I'm reading here, I'm not writing on my blog, nor reading others. (Not to mention not doing my work...)
Posted by: Tom Grey - Liberty Dad at Aug 27, 2005 12:24:48 AM
The welfare state will remain checked until people are no longer necessary to run the economy. Even in a nanotech future, where physical engineers can fab new products as quickly as software engineers can today, those engineers are necessary. They are people who can up and leave for other countries, where job opportunities are better. Meanwhile the banks will still need finance guys to figure out how to pay for it all, and everyone will still want lawyers to arrange their relationships.
No, what will really entrench the welfare state is strong AI. When computers can run the economy, including not only the factories but also the banks and insurers, and they can innovate new technologies, THEN will most people live on the dole.
Assuming, of course, the AI doesn't decide it doesn't need up and releases some biological agent. That would be bad (though the end of the welfare state).
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